crocdee said:hi sefan
agree with your commnts. buy side getting stronger now. mul usually moves ahead of announcements looks like still more to come before the agm.
still hope you win the comp
regards croc
stefan said:Richkid,
There's a general meeting on the 10th of September but there hasn't been a date set for the annual shareholder meeting as far as I know.
Happy trading
Stefan
Unfortunatelly this is not the case. The meeting is to approve another 30 million options issued to Findlay for some unspecified financial services.Thanks Stefan, I hope the meeting is to announce good news!
The price has gone up by 19% after the news which is a lot in anybody's terms. Anyway, I see what you mean. You'll have to understand the background of MUL. It's probably the most hated/loved stock on the ASX and people like to play with it. Management sucks and the fact that they are giving away options for free to "friends" or related businesses is not going to help the price. MUL has built the 2 way sat solution and has yet to proof that they are able to make ANY money out of it. They are full of "potential" and "significant deals" that are about to happen but still they are making a loss and they are going to do so for 2004 for which a profit was originally forcast by Findlay which just happens to be the company who keeps getting options for free in exchange for "financial services".We have had 3 good announcements now and the share price hasn't been set on fire yet
Yes, it's the norm. No, it's not that certain sectors are out of favour. If you are looking for something like the "tech boom" where stocks used to run several dollars in a day based on some rather questionable news, then you will find that there is no such thing in the market at the moment. So "everything" is out of favour if you like.is this the norm for these types of stocks ?.Maybe the tech stocks are out of favour at the moment.
It doesn't matter how many shares you buy. As you said, it's a lot for you and that's all that counts.I got in a couple of weeks ago for 80,000 shares (nothing for you guys but a lot for somebody new into shares).
I highly doubt that. We could see a nice increase in the share price but the "big" run is months away. First the market will have to come to terms with another 30 million options and the loss for 2004. Then we will have to see a significant improvement in the first half of 2005. (Unfortunately MUL is only releasing half yearly reports, so we have to wait a long time until the next figures come out.)we could be rich in a few months !!
A new service to be launched, is it good or not? well, it depends how do you see it. i see it as good. but the market see it in the opposite way, so the SP is down. i guess that is because they see it in the cash flow point of view. the cash will flow out because of the launch of the new service in the near future. i do worry whether the management team will use it as an excuse to issue more new options at 0.1cent because they deadly need more cash again. they will be starving because they use all money developing the business and woolworth wouldn't give them food.(Porper said:We have had 3 good announcements now and the share price hasn't been set on fire yet(Hopefully that will come)
No. In return for provision of investor relations services and advice means that they paid Findlay an other rather funny sounding companies like "Roar Consulting" and "Captain Starlight Nominees" in options and shares to receive "advice". The type of advice has not been specified in more details anywhere and I highly doubt that it would look good if they would release this information.1. What exactly constitutes "Issued in return for provision of investor relations services and financial and securities advice"?
I seem to recall reading somewhere that one of the large beneficiaries of these options was a Chinese investment company. Is it correct to assume that if they are giving options to them then they have actually provided them with some lucrative contacts/contracts?
You will easily find many statements in this thread from unhappy shareholders regarding this issue. Findlay was issued a total of 95 million shares/options in the past year. You do the math....2. Does anyone else feel uncomfortable about Findlays receiving nearly $3.8m options at todays mearket rate (ie 95,000,000 * 4 cps) for "The provision of Financial advisory services"......does that mean they were paid $3.8m for helping raise $3.5m from their own clients?
I don't know, but I'm willing to find out by voting against the new issue. Most likely MUL will have to pay them in dollars instead.What will Findlays do if the shareholders reject these options?
No. It's common practice. Companies can only issue a certain percentage of new shares during the year. If they want to issue more, they will require shareholder approval. What they are saying is that the current amount of shares they have issued so far does not require the approval of shareholders. They are asking for it, so that they can issue new ones, should the need arise, without having to ask shareholders first. This can take a considerable amount of time to arrange.3. In the opening brief about the General Meeting there was a sentence which has me a little bit worried.....it says that they don't really need to approve these shares, however the reason they are asking for shareholder approval is so they can issue more options in the future....am i correct to be a little concerned about this?
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