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medicowallet said:
OF COURSE MN should not bash anyone, but he IS sick, and comments like from the poster above do nothing to sort out the problem, what they DO is to make negative stereotypes of people with mental health issues.
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The problem is medicowallet, political correctness, has given legitimacy to what was not acceptable twenty years ago. As a matter of fact it has given birth to a whole new industry.
Now if you are violent and have no respect for authority, no problem prescribe what the kids call "baby speed" . Anyway we won't go there, jeez the world is becoming a basket case.
These are only my opinions based on nothing.LOL
Last comment on a very sad subject.
 
sptrawler said:
The problem is medicowallet, political correctness, has given legitimacy to what was not acceptable twenty years ago. As a matter of fact it has given birth to a whole new industry.
Now if you are violent and have no respect for authority, no problem prescribe what the kids call "baby speed" . Anyway we won't go there, jeez the world is becoming a basket case.
These are only my opinions based on nothing.LOL
Last comment on a very sad subject.
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MW, sp has a point here. I don't know anything about Matthew Newton and am not at all interested.

However, there is a worrying and growing trend toward medicalising what was once ordinary human behaviour, i.e. someone who is experiencing a natural sadness in response to a sad event is considered "depressed" and expected to consume anti depressants. Whatever happened to the acceptance of the fact that life is not supposed to always be happy, even and without obstacles?

And so we no longer have asocial or antisocial people who show no respect for others.
Instead they get classified as "having psychological issues", or a formal psychiatric disorder.

Even grief, if it persists after X number of days is, I understand, now classified as a mental illness.

For god's sake, what are we coming to?

Again, this is not a comment on whether the person in question is mentally ill or not. I don't know and I don't care.

But I'm bloody sick of everyone having medical/psychological labels attached to them instead of occasionally just taking responsibility for appropriate social behaviour.

Just maybe make allowances for others feeling similarly fed up when you criticise their responses.
I respect your views and am not having a go at you, MW.
Just so, so fed up with our indulgent view that it's never the fault of the individual if they behave badly.
 
One more thing..I felt he lied about the drug matter.

I believe the rumour was that he was using meth-amphetamine

If he was injecting it, that is the worst **** ever for bringing on or exacerbating madness.

There is an epidemic of psychos cause of it, they home cook up the rubbish using cold&flu tablets, then inject it into their jugular vein.

You sure as hell dont want to come across one
 
Julia said:
MW, sp has a point here. I don't know anything about Matthew Newton and am not at all interested.

However, there is a worrying and growing trend toward medicalising what was once ordinary human behaviour, i.e. someone who is experiencing a natural sadness in response to a sad event is considered "depressed" and expected to consume anti depressants. Whatever happened to the acceptance of the fact that life is not supposed to always be happy, even and without obstacles?
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I agree with the concept that you outline (and never have condoned the opposite), but to crucify him without any thought about his situation is not right, and not something civilised people should be doing. The above post takes into account no aspect of the true facts, only that person's beliefs and then crucifies him without understanding the whole story, that is not the right thing to do, and I will never let thuggery like that go without stepping in and challenging it.

I also point out that life is not necessarily any worse now. 50 years ago MN might not have had any media scrutiny of this situation, carpets might have been swept under, and mouths shut. Also, it is a sad, but I think women of yesteryear were treated with much less respect by men.

tigerboi said:
go for your life my name is in my avatar
now your turn
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Your name is tigerboi?

My turn, no, don't think so, why the heck would I want to do that?
 
medicowallet said:
OF COURSE MN should not bash anyone, but he IS sick, and comments like from the poster above do nothing to sort out the problem, what they DO is to make negative stereotypes of people with mental health issues.

With how many people have you been involved in their mental health treatment?
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Firstly, I don't think he is sick, he is a spoilt little rich kid that thinks he can do what he wants. He should show some respect to his parents and grow up.

If he is sick then he has a far greater chance of accessing help than the vast majority, so he has no excuses.

As for how many people I have been involved in the mental health treatment, to many is the answer and after 20 years of helping, supporting and assisting I no longer wish to do so. Mental illness has become an excuse for bad behaviour and the great percentage just need some discipline and routine.

I will state that it is often hard to find the right people to accurately diagnose a condition and then offer the correct treatment. Drugs should be the last option and only in severe cases a long term fix.

I am a firm believer that most mental illness conditions are a by product of our society. Lack of exercise and poor diet as well as people wanting to be the norm. There are benefits to mental illness and the majority of great artist suffer some form of mental illness and that is the reason why they can percieve reality different to the norm.

Cheers
 
medicowallet said:
OF COURSE MN should not bash anyone, but he IS sick, and comments like from the poster above do nothing to sort out the problem, what they DO is to make negative stereotypes of people with mental health issues.
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Yes he is sick. It's called spoiled brat syndrome. It is very common among children of "celebrities."
 
I have to agree with Julia and sptrawler, labels are becoming over the top
OK he needs help, but is he helping himself with the use of recreational drugs?
How much of it is self inflicted?
He has had a year in rehab and not long out.
I read his parents have been supportive, but have now had enough.
There is more help out there than there has ever been, and he would have access to more than most.
 
One of the key indicators and major problems associated with severe mental health disorders is a marked resistance to treatment.

In the good old days, they locked them up, but only the worst,

mental health problems were very prevalant within the memory of grandparents, didnt matter so much if you chased the sheep around the paddock faster, but beatings, sexual abuse etc to such an extent as you would scarcely believe.

Now I am not trying to lump everything in together here, with so many mental health conditions now "identified" with DSMIV, but if a person suffers severe Bipolar disorder, they will quite possibly suffer recurring episodes of psychosis, varying in intensity

Another example of psychosis that is common takes place in elderly patients suffering from Dementia, during these episodes dear old grandad may become violent, abusive and sexually innapropriate...what a ba$stard hey.

Folks, they can only Schedule him for a short time, then they get booted out.
Even private psychaitric hospitals dont encourage long stay.

I totally agree he needs to do evry possible thing to do the utmost HIMSELF, cause otherwise he will probably end up dead sooner than need be.
 
satanoperca said:
Firstly, I don't think he is sick, he is a spoilt little rich kid that thinks he can do what he wants. He should show some respect to his parents and grow up.

If he is sick then he has a far greater chance of accessing help than the vast majority, so he has no excuses.

As for how many people I have been involved in the mental health treatment, to many is the answer and after 20 years of helping, supporting and assisting I no longer wish to do so. Mental illness has become an excuse for bad behaviour and the great percentage just need some discipline and routine.

I will state that it is often hard to find the right people to accurately diagnose a condition and then offer the correct treatment. Drugs should be the last option and only in severe cases a long term fix.

I am a firm believer that most mental illness conditions are a by product of our society. Lack of exercise and poor diet as well as people wanting to be the norm. There are benefits to mental illness and the majority of great artist suffer some form of mental illness and that is the reason why they can percieve reality different to the norm.

Cheers
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With your attitude, I am sure that "20 years of experience in helping people with mental health issues" you, were obviously just an acquaintance with them, and not part of their management.

I can see that there is close to zero empathy by some posters here, and thank goodness none of you are involved in mental health treatment, as with this kind of attitude, you would produce poor outcomes, and exacerbate the problem..

There is still one totally obvious FACT. MN NEEDS help, and morons "bashing" him will not solve the problem, only make it worse, whilst also lessening the importance of, and muddying the stereotype of mental health disorders.

I feel sorry for your inability to understand this part of what happens in the real world, and would encourage those of you in a decent headspace to truly try to assist unwell people in their recovery, instead of ordering the death penalty through lack of conscience.

Also, personal beliefs do not make for realistic science, so your diet and exercise might be ok for depression, but to seriously consider it for someone like MN is just crazy.

MW
 
awg said:
One of the key indicators and major problems associated with severe mental health disorders is a marked resistance to treatment.

In the good old days, they locked them up, but only the worst,

mental health problems were very prevalant within the memory of grandparents, didnt matter so much if you chased the sheep around the paddock faster, but beatings, sexual abuse etc to such an extent as you would scarcely believe.

Now I am not trying to lump everything in together here, with so many mental health conditions now "identified" with DSMIV, but if a person suffers severe Bipolar disorder, they will quite possibly suffer recurring episodes of psychosis, varying in intensity

Another example of psychosis that is common takes place in elderly patients suffering from Dementia, during these episodes dear old grandad may become violent, abusive and sexually innapropriate...what a ba$stard hey.

Folks, they can only Schedule him for a short time, then they get booted out.
Even private psychaitric hospitals dont encourage long stay.

I totally agree he needs to do evry possible thing to do the utmost HIMSELF, cause otherwise he will probably end up dead sooner than need be.
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Medicine is an art form, everyone is different and psychiatry is the most artistic practice, with such varying treatments and responses, it is very conceivable that patients take many years to stabilise (if at all). It is not like changing a bolt, or ordering a part.
 
While there is no doubt Matthew Newton has issues, I notice his mental illness isn't so bad that he doesn't try to assault someone who can actually fight back - ie likes to hit women and 66 year old men.
 
medicowallet said:
With your attitude, I am sure that "20 years of experience in helping people with mental health issues" you, were obviously just an acquaintance with them, and not part of their management.

I can see that there is close to zero empathy by some posters here, and thank goodness none of you are involved in mental health treatment, as with this kind of attitude, you would produce poor outcomes, and exacerbate the problem..

There is still one totally obvious FACT. MN NEEDS help, and morons "bashing" him will not solve the problem, only make it worse, whilst also lessening the importance of, and muddying the stereotype of mental health disorders.

I feel sorry for your inability to understand this part of what happens in the real world, and would encourage those of you in a decent headspace to truly try to assist unwell people in their recovery, instead of ordering the death penalty through lack of conscience.

Also, personal beliefs do not make for realistic science, so your diet and exercise might be ok for depression, but to seriously consider it for someone like MN is just crazy.

MW
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I have a ladder for you to borrow so you can get down of your pedestal and become part of the real world.

Secondly, be very careful about making assumptions. So what you are saying is some self discipline, good diet and exercise would do little for MN, I know who the crazy one.

As for the fact that he deserves help, sorry three strikes and your out. Spend your energy helping those that are less fortunate than the liitle spoilt brat that he is.

I feel that there is no need to discuss this further with you as you as set in your ways and personal beliefs. good luck trying to save the world.

Cheers and merry merry christmas
 
satanoperca said:
I have a ladder for you to borrow so you can get down of your pedestal and become part of the real world.

Secondly, be very careful about making assumptions. So what you are saying is some self discipline, good diet and exercise would do little for MN, I know who the crazy one.

As for the fact that he deserves help, sorry three strikes and your out. Spend your energy helping those that are less fortunate than the liitle spoilt brat that he is.

I feel that there is no need to discuss this further with you as you as set in your ways and personal beliefs. good luck trying to save the world.

Cheers and merry merry christmas
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1. You have limited insight wrt mental health.
2. Your 3 strikes policy is not civilised and not what happens in the "real world"
3. I have never endeavoured to save the world, just want to make a living and assist the people that I can, not condemn them, and those around them to a life less than achievable, but, hey, whatever floats your boat.
4. diet and exercise would have limited benefit, and, though I never mentioned self discipline, I will say that it is difficult for people with little insight to find it (as well as a caring attitude and empathy for some)

MW
 
I agree with tigerboi, satanoperca and Calliope in that Newton is a just a spoilt brat out of control.

Medicowallet says that we should all feel sorry for Matty and his mental illness. Fair enough, except that epathy ends when Newton bashes women and old folk.

Newton is a serial offender who may need help but not sympathy.

By the way, what is your actual occupation medicowallet?
 
medicowallet said:
1. You have limited insight wrt mental health.
2. Your 3 strikes policy is not civilised and not what happens in the "real world"
3. I have never endeavoured to save the world, just want to make a living and assist the people that I can, not condemn them, and those around them to a life less than achievable, but, hey, whatever floats your boat.
4. diet and exercise would have limited benefit, and, though I never mentioned self discipline, I will say that it is difficult for people with little insight to find it (as well as a caring attitude and empathy for some)

MW
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You make me laugh, wake up mate, the real world is hardly civilised. We just get the luxury of living in a great country like Australia that is more civilised than others but still plenty of pain and anguish being inflicted by people with or without a mental illness.

As for my limited insight into mental health, again great assumption but your statement is based on very little fact. It shows further with a deluded and irrational comment that diet and exercise have little to do with state of mind. You do crack me up.

I think it maybe you who is mentally ill and needs the sympathy of others to feel good. Go see a doctor they may or may not be able to help you.

Wait until one day someone who is a repeat offender of violent acts hurts or worse kills someone dear to you and then see how you feel about saving them.

I have no time for the weak that will not help themselves especially those that have had a privilege upbring.

Ladder is still available if you need to get of your pedestal and come down to earth where the real people live.

Go save the world, someone needs to.

Cheers
 
satanoperca said:
It shows further with a deluded and irrational comment that diet and exercise have little to do with state of mind. You do crack me up.


Wait until one day someone who is a repeat offender of violent acts hurts or worse kills someone dear to you and then see how you feel about saving them.

I have no time for the weak that will not help themselves especially those that have had a privilege upbring.
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Can't recall saying that diet and exercise did not have any effect on mental health. Please, refresh my recall on this.

I hope that people are managed well and do not hurt anyone that I know, but I do know that I would be very upset and angry if they did hurt someone I knew. I would not prevent others getting adequate treatment if this happened to me though. Do you understand this concept?

MW
 
Macquack said:
Medicowallet says that we should all feel sorry for Matty and his mental illness. Fair enough, except that epathy ends when Newton bashes women and old folk.

Newton is a serial offender who may need help but not sympathy.
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Feel sorry for him? no. Try to understand where he is coming from with his actions, and help him deal with these so that it does not happen again? yes.\

As I have said before, what he did was clearly wrong, but a civilised society will try to help the out of control, NOT crucify them, with such ridiculous comments as I initially responded to.

Perhaps some people with strong beliefs here should present with how this should be managed?

Perhaps some people with strong beliefs here are unaware of how common this is, at all levels of society and how just because MN is a celebrity, does NOT mean he does not deserve the same treatment that others are afforded. The law, medical treatment and society judgement for him should be the same as any regular person with the same behaviours.
 
medicowallet said:
Feel sorry for him? no. Try to understand where he is coming from with his actions, and help him deal with these so that it does not happen again? yes.\

As I have said before, what he did was clearly wrong, but a civilised society will try to help the out of control, NOT crucify them, with such ridiculous comments as I initially responded to.

Perhaps some people with strong beliefs here should present with how this should be managed?

Perhaps some people with strong beliefs here are unaware of how common this is, at all levels of society and how just because MN is a celebrity, does NOT mean he does not deserve the same treatment that others are afforded. The law, medical treatment and society judgement for him should be the same as any regular person with the same behaviours.
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This story is so low on my radar, but unfortunately MN keeps coming back to cause more embarrassment and trouble. Personally, I think he should be managed by medical authorities - give him the same attention we give to other people with mental afflictions.

Tank em up with lots of our finest drugs.

Win Win
 

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