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When 30,000 people turn out there far more to it than you can understand it seems.
I definitely have sympathy for the poor girl and her family. It's just the huge reaction from people that didn't know her. At heart, such people are more concerned with themselves than the girl or her family. It's just screwed up.
Bad things happen to good people, and there's not a damn thing any peace march will do to remedy that. That's how life is.
When 30,000 people turn out there far more to it than you can understand it seems.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-09-30/community-to-march-in-honour-of-meagher/4287762
Thats 30,000 ..............what an impact this has had on everyone.
+1, GB. Gav has just provided the stats about murders and violent offences.I definitely have sympathy for the poor girl and her family. It's just the huge reaction from people that didn't know her. At heart, such people are more concerned with themselves than the girl or her family. It's just screwed up.
Bad things happen to good people, and there's not a damn thing any peace march will do to remedy that. That's how life is.
+Mr Burns, you seem to be completely at one with all this stuff. Can you tell us what it's actually all about and what makes this unfortunate young woman so much an instant celebrity, albeit in death?
Following on from on what Gringotts Bank has said, I thought I'd look up some of the reported figures...
The following is from the Crime Statistics 2011/2012 report on the Victoria Police website:
http://www.police.vic.gov.au/content.asp?a=internetBridgingPage&Media_ID=72176
"Homicide offences increased by 14.6% from 151 in 2010/11 to 173 in 2011/12. 140 of these offences were substantive, while 33 were attempted, conspiracy or incitement offences. The most common type of homicide offence was murder, with 91 offences.
There were 2,044 rape offences recorded in 2011/2012, an increase of 11.8% on the 1,828 offences
recorded in 2010/2011. As a rate per 100,000 population, rape increased by 10.3%."
91 murders and over 2000 rapes in Victoria in just one year.
But crime statistics do not support those fears, showing the country's homicide rate is at historical lows, and what is alleged to have happened to Ms Meagher is rare.
This is what psychologists call the "availability heuristic", meaning prominent events can be assumed to be more frequent or likely to occur.
"It's really salient in our minds that this has happened to somebody," Dr Helen Paterson, a lecturer in forensic psychology at the University of Sydney, said.
"When something is salient in our minds, we tend to think that things happen more frequently than they actually do happen.
"It is an extremely rare event."
The most recent figures show there were 279 victims of homicide, a rate of 1.3 persons per 100,000 of the population, in 2009-10, according to the Australian Institute of Criminology's national homicide monitoring program.
The rate for women in that period is .85 per 100,000, compared with 1.66 per 100,000 for men.
And of the 95 women who were homicide victims in that time, most were killed by someone they knew. Twelve of the 95 were killed by a stranger.
In 2009-10 two women were killed in the context of a sexual assault, one of whom was killed by a stranger and the other by someone she knew.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/vi...for-huge-support/story-e6frf7kx-1226484905035THE mother of murdered Brunswick woman Jill Meagher has called for more CCTV cameras as the 29-year-old's husband thanked the community for its support.
As more than 30,000 people flooded Sydney Rd, Brunswick, an emotional Edith McKeon made a brave visit to the street where her daughter was last seen alive.
She embraced strangers at the march and took in flowers and cards left as tributes along the busy street, including dozens left outside the Duchess Boutique where the ABC radio employee was last seen alive early on September 22.
Mrs McKeon hugged the owner of the shop, whose in-store CCTV footage proved crucial to the police investigation.
I read an article the other day that put the point of view that serious crime was in fact falling (have seen this mention a few times) and that 90% + (cannot remember the exact number) murders were committed by some one the victim knew.
sheesh for the rest of Melbourne!
I don't think he was being flippant, Mr Burns. Just expressing the same sort of bewilderment some of us already have. As for Jill being 'well known', I doubt anyone outside of the Melbourne ABC Radio office had ever heard of her before. She wasn't a public presence, but was in an administrative position.I doubt you'd be so flippant if this happened around the corner from you and your family, your wife, your kids.
I don't think he was being flippant, Mr Burns. Just expressing the same sort of bewilderment some of us already have. As for Jill being 'well known', I doubt anyone outside of the Melbourne ABC Radio office had ever heard of her before. She wasn't a public presence, but was in an administrative position.
I doubt you'd be so flippant if this happened around the corner from you and your family, your wife, your kids.
I don't think he was being flippant, Mr Burns. Just expressing the same sort of bewilderment some of us already have. As for Jill being 'well known', I doubt anyone outside of the Melbourne ABC Radio office had ever heard of her before. She wasn't a public presence, but was in an administrative position.
Not being flippant at all. It's a MASSIVE tragedy - but to sit back and see the outpouring of support this girl has received when (in their respective families eyes) just as many more important people are abducted/killed each year is perhaps a little...shall we say...over the top?
I know your a very compassionate/heart on your sleeve person Burnsy and I like that - but look at the bigger picture.
Thanks Julia and I didn't even know she was in an admin position. Seems the media hype had whipped me to believe that she was a reporter of some ilk (not that it matters...)
Perhaps I'm over-cautious, but I'd never assume my safety in the early hours of the morning in any inner city street. Imo no one's security has been 'stripped away from them'. It was never actually there in the first place.Sorry to take you the wrong way but I'll try again, this wasn't just about Jill it was about the thousands of women she represents, 10's of thousands who walk our streets, their security has been stripped away from them.
Ah, I think I finally get it. It matters to such an extraordinary degree because she was one of us.[Yes there's plenty of other murders etc but not in circumstances like this, this was an extraordinary attack on an every day person and it pulled the rug out from underneath any feeling of security a woman feels when going about her every day business.
Perhaps I'm over-cautious, but I'd never assume my safety in the early hours of the morning in any inner city street. Imo no one's security has been 'stripped away from them'. It was never actually there in the first place.
Ah, I think I finally get it. It matters to such an extraordinary degree because she was one of us.
She looked like your wife or daughter, so it struck fear into your heart.
So different from the prostitute on her way home from work. Or the junkie out to score wherever she could.
We don't make any fuss when women like these die.
I suppose they are easily dismissed because they are "not like us".
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