Legalised murder in the Philippines: USA next?

[basilio]

We know about the thousands of alleged drug users and small time pushers who have been killed/murdered in the Phillipines. I was reminded of this today when I heard a story from someone who has close connections in the Phillipines.

Apparently there is a neat little line in outsourcing the murder of alleged druggies. If you rock up to a police station you can get a motor bike, a gun and a list of names. Some have asterisks. These are the preferred targets. (I wonder how easy it is to get a particualr name on the hit list ?)

So off you go. Gun down a name on the list. Return the bike and gun and score $100.

Simple isn't it? Police organised hitman for only $100.

This prompted me to have a look for other stories on the mass murders of alleged druggies in the Phillipines. This one appears to sum it up

Good Shots
Police rack up an almost perfectly deadly record in Philippine drug war

• By Clare Baldwin, Andrew R.C. Marshall and Damir Sagolj
  
  
• Filed Dec. 5, 2016, 2:42 p.m. GMT

In 51 shootings by police in drug busts, 100 suspects were killed and just 3 wounded. The 97 percent kill ratio, eyewitness testimony and other evidence amassed by Reuters suggest officers are summarily gunning down suspects in President Duterte’s crackdown.

MANILA – Norberto Maderal and George Avanceña made a fatal choice on the afternoon of October 19, the Philippine police say. The two pedicab drivers drew their guns in a slum in northern Manila and “tried to open fire” at plainclothes officers posing as drug buyers, according to the police report into their killings.

The officers defended themselves, resulting in what the report called “the instantaneous death of the suspects.” Dante Novicio, the police chief of Navotas City, told Reuters his men shot the pair “almost simultaneously.”

Maderal, 42, and Avanceña, 33, are casualties in President Rodrigo Duterte’s “war on drugs.” Police say that 2,004 people have been shot and killed by officers in self-defense during anti-drug operations since the president took office on July 1.

When the police open fire in Duterte’s war, the suspects almost always die.

Reuters reviewed 42 drug-related shooting incidents involving the police in the Manila region covered by its journalists, as well as another 9 cases investigated in the same area by the government-funded Philippines’ Commission on Human Rights (CHR). In these combined 51 cases, police officers killed a total of 100 suspects and wounded just three. Of the three people who were shot but survived in these cases, two played dead and the third was arrested as he tried to flee the scene.

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The kill ratio is much higher than in countries with comparable drug-related violence.

http://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/philippines-duterte-police/

So the question remains ? Could Donald Trump take a leaf from Dutertes book and instigate a similar free for all in the US ?
Should it happen?

 

[SirRumpole]

So the question remains ? Could Donald Trump take a leaf from Dutertes book and instigate a similar free for all in the US ?
Should it happen?

Of course it shouldn't happen in a country that believes that people are innocent until proven guilty.

I'm not sure that applies in the USA at the present, we will find out in time no doubt.

 

[wayneL]

Bas, a very long and tenuous bow you are drawing there

May as well suggest Trump might instigate female circumcision in the US,because it is still some in Nigeria or wherever.

FFS

 

[noco]

Duterte has the dealers and users running in all directions......He has then all $hit scared.

some 686,000 have handed themselves in for rehabilitation......He must be something to deter the druggies and dealers.

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/fe...-duterte-killer-drug-war-160905094258461.html

 

[SirRumpole]

Duterte has the dealers and users running in all directions......He has then all $hit scared.

some 686,000 have handed themselves in for rehabilitation......He must be something to deter the druggies and dealers.

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/fe...-duterte-killer-drug-war-160905094258461.html

The unfortunate thing about summary executions is that you don't know whether you have the right people or not. They maybe someone who was seen on the street with a drug user and not a user themselves, or is it OK by you that they get killed anyway ie "guilt by association" ?

 

[noco]

The unfortunate thing about summary executions is that you don't know whether you have the right people or not. They maybe someone who was seen on the street with a drug user and not a user themselves, or is it OK by you that they get killed anyway ie "guilt by association" ?

The unfortunate thing about summary executions is that you don't know whether you have the right people or not. They maybe someone who was seen on the street with a drug user and not a user themselves, or is it OK by you that they get killed anyway ie "guilt by association" ?

Filipino woman are engaged to sus out drug dealers and when they clamp on to one these girls assassinate them with one bullet for 20,000 pesos A $430....It is called danger money.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-37172002

 

[SirRumpole]

Filipino woman are engaged to sus out drug dealers and when they clamp on to one these girls assassinate them with one bullet for 20,000 pesos A $430....It is called danger money.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-37172002

A license to kill anyone for money. The victim isn't going to talk is he ?

 

[Faramir]

Are we ever going to have a war on domestic violence and child abuse instead of just drugs?

Drug dealers are rightly easy to demonised and I hate drug dealers. Can't comment on Philippines situation because some close to me think it is awful with what is happening. I personally agree with the tough crack down but somehow hoped for more checks and balances.

If any country declares war on domestic violence and child abuse, I hope I can be the first one in to support this war. I doubt USA or any country would ever declare war on wife bashing?? We barely raise awareness of its effects now.

Last year, My partner's ex committed suicide not from guilt but sadness caused by rejection by his kids and running away from his debts. He died thinking that he was the perfect person and others made him suffered. I waited 11 years for him to die but I have a sense of very deep shame and regret that I didn't torture and killed him myself. Everyone around me told me to live a better life and that will be my revenge. He was very scared of me and that kept him away from us for so many years. I guess that protected me from doing something illegal.

USA, actually any country can easily copy Philippines because drug dealers are "them". The wife basher could be your best mate, your brother, etc. who is going to declare war on them???

Sorry if I sound like I'm contradicting myself or gone off topic. I have too many conflicting feelings in me. Even though I know in the long run that violence doesn't solve anything, in the short term, I too would feel great if I know an evil person, drug dealer or child abuser died in an awful way.

 

[Faramir]

I forgot to add that I had run-ins and arguments with drug dealers before. Hence that will explain my views. If some states in US adopt this approach, I fear the wrong small time person will suffer while the evil big king pin will always have some protection. I love this tough approach in theory but is it open to abuse??

 

[SirRumpole]

I love this tough approach in theory but is it open to abuse??

What can one say ?

 

[noco]

A license to kill anyone for money. The victim isn't going to talk is he ?

It appears to be working.....How many silly people have the drug dealers killed who get addicted to their habit?

 

[Bill M]

So the question remains ? Could Donald Trump take a leaf from Dutertes book and instigate a similar free for all in the US ?
Should it happen?

Absolutely not! It sounds good but if you are the innocent and are accused then it's lights out for you. A lot of innocents get murdered. Have we not learn't anything from the extrajudicial killings in Thailand?

Neighbours were dobbing in people they didn't like, telling the authorities they were drug dealers, they were executed. Business people losing out to the competition solved their problem easily, hello, the business next door are dealing drugs.........they were executed. 16 Month old babies, executed..........for FS please don't go down this path.

Read up before you go nodding your head saying this is a good idea. My "bolds" down below.

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Since the death of 9-year-old Chakraphan, there have been frequent reports in the Thai press of summary executions and their innocent victims.

There was the 16-month-old girl who was shot dead along with her mother, Raiwan Khwanthongyen. There was the pregnant woman, Daranee Tasanawadee, who was killed in front of her two young sons. There was the 8-year-old boy, Jirasak Unthong, who was the only witness to the killing of his parents as they headed home from a temple fair.

There was Suwit Baison, 23, a cameraman for a local television station, who fell to his knees in tears in front of Mr. Thaksin and begged for an investigation into the killing of his parents.

His stepfather had once been arrested for smoking marijuana, Mr. Suwit said. When the police offered to drop the charge if he would admit to using methamphetamines, he opted instead to pay the $100 fine for marijuana use.

Both parents were shot dead as they returned home from the police station on a motorbike. Mr. Suwit said 10 other people in his neighborhood had also been killed after surrendering to the police.
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/04/08/world/a-wave-of-drug-killings-is-linked-to-thai-police.html
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[McLovin]

I think a bit of realism needs to be injected here. Trump isn't a dictator. He's a half baked populist. The Constitution (Amendments 5,6,14) make extrajudicial killing illegal. If it gets to a point where that is happening then there are bigger problems.

 

[luutzu]

I think a bit of realism needs to be injected here. Trump isn't a dictator. He's a half baked populist. The Constitution (Amendments 5,6,14) make extrajudicial killing illegal. If it gets to a point where that is happening then there are bigger problems.

It's already there, long before Trump was busy blocking black people from renting his apartments. It's what they call "Police shooting incident"... cops shoot first, plan weapons and drugs soon after.

Even today, with video evidence of cops shooting unarmed (black guys), then plan or lie about being threatened... they all go free.

That's legalised murder, and it serves many purposes.

 

[luutzu]

It appears to be working.....How many silly people have the drug dealers killed who get addicted to their habit?

Dam it noco.

 

[McLovin]

It's already there, long before Trump was busy blocking black people from renting his apartments. It's what they call "Police shooting incident"... cops shoot first, plan weapons and drugs soon after.

Even today, with video evidence of cops shooting unarmed (black guys), then plan or lie about being threatened... they all go free.

That's legalised murder, and it serves many purposes.

i'm not going to argue that the police in the US don't kill black people for sport; I think everyone with a camera gives credence to everything NWA and Pac were saying all those years ago. But that's not the same as legalised death squads ala Latin America or now the Philippines.

Even in Australia the police get away with plenty.

 

[SirRumpole]

Even in Australia the police get away with plenty.

Rogerson->Lanfranchi->Sally-Anne Huckstep.

 

[luutzu]

i'm not going to argue that the police in the US don't kill black people for sport; I think everyone with a camera gives credence to everything NWA and Pac were saying all those years ago. But that's not the same as legalised death squads ala Latin America or now the Philippines.

Even in Australia the police get away with plenty.

It's not the same only because you can't publicly say and write down that kind of stuff. But it's the same when armed employee of the state can shoot, kill, plan and lie in the face of clear evidence to the contrary - the state somehow let them off, scot free.

That's state sanctioned murder by other means.

Not as bad and as in your face as third world Death Squads, but it serves the same purpose: keep certain undesirables and superfluous population locked up or disappear.

 

[basilio]

Amnesty International has release an investigation into the killing of alleged drug dealers. It confirmed the story I was told about police paying people to kill users and dealers. Horrible reading.

Philippines police paid to kill alleged drug offenders, says Amnesty
Police accused of planting evidence, taking cash from funeral homes and fabricating reports in Rodrigo Duterte’s war on drugs



A mourner stands by the coffin of a man killed in an anti-drug operation last week in Manila, Philippines. Photograph: Romeo Ranoco/Reuters


Oliver Holmes Southeast Asia correspondent

Wednesday 1 February 2017 03.01 AEDT Last modified on Wednesday 1 February 2017 09.00 AEDT

Amnesty International has accused police in the Philippines of paying officers and other people to kill alleged drug offenders, planting evidence and even setting up a racket with funeral homes in a “murderous war on the poor”.

A wave of extrajudicial killings by police and the vigilantes they work with may amount to crimes against humanity, Amnesty said. More than 7,000 people have been killed since President Rodrigo Duterte, nicknamed “the punisher”, unleashed a bloody crackdown seven months ago.

Amnesty investigated 33 incidents of drug-related killings in 20 cities and towns across the country in which 59 people were killed.

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“The vast majority of these killings appear to have been extrajudicial executions – that is, unlawful and deliberate killings carried out by government order or with its complicity or acquiescence,” the report said

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...d-drug-offenders-says-amnesty-rodrigo-duterte

 

[SirRumpole]

Amnesty International has release an investigation into the killing of alleged drug dealers. It confirmed the story I was told about police paying people to kill users and dealers. Horrible reading.

One wonders if all this will provoke retaliation by the drug syndicates against the police or Duterte himself.

Anyway it's not a great advertisement for the Philippines as a tourist destination.