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Now they just have to move on to Meth's then they can really kill the pig, they can be made in the boot of a car, everyone is using them.
Why don't the Government legalise them and get tax on them, it sounds like the Marijuana arguement.
 
sptrawler said:
Now they just have to move on to Meth's then they can really kill the pig, they can be made in the boot of a car, everyone is using them.
Why don't the Government legalise them and get tax on them, it sounds like the Marijuana arguement.
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Absolutely, get everyone on meth and watch the wastelines plummet and dentist businesses flourish.
 

Marijuana Should Be Added to Nafta, Mexico’s Fox Says

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Cannabis should be added to the North American Free Trade Agreement just like any other form of produce, says former Mexican President Vicente Fox.

Fox, who sits on the board of Vancouver-based medical marijuana producer Khiron Life Sciences Corp., said he expects Mexico’s new government to legalize recreational cannabis in 2019. The country legalized medical pot in 2017.

Fox has long advocated for legal cannabis, arguing that it will help defeat the cartel violence that has plagued Mexico for years.

“We can change criminals for businessmen, we can change underground, illegal non-taxpayers into an industry, a sector of the economy,” he said Thursday in an interview in Toronto, where he met with Khiron’s board. “I think it should be part of Nafta and that’s what I’m pursuing.”

If that happens, Mexico could become a major exporter of legal cannabis to the U.S. and Canadian markets, Fox said.


 
Defqon.1: NSW Premier vows to shut down festival after suspected overdose deaths
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The New South Wales Premier has vowed to do everything she can to shut down Defqon.1, after two people died in suspected overdoses at the popular Sydney music festival last night.

Police said a 23-year-old man from western Sydney and a 21-year-old woman from Victoria died in Nepean Hospital after collapsing at music festival in Penrith about 9:00pm.

Three more festival goers remain in a critical condition in hospital.

Ms Berejiklian described the deaths as "absolutely tragic" and vowed to ban the event.

"I never want to see this event held in Sydney or New South Wales ever again — we will do everything we can to shut this down," she said.

Ms Berejuklian denied cancelling the event would force it and others to go underground, and said pill-testing at music events was "not a solution".

"Anyone who advocates pill-testing is giving the green light to drugs. There is no such thing as a safe drug and unfortunately when young people think there is, it has tragic consequences," she said.




Hmmm....

Lots of people still drink and drive....



This mum says 'yes please' to pill testing at festivals​
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With two 'deadly' pills found during Australia’s first legal pill testing trial at Groovin The Moo festival in Canberra on the weekend, most parents agree that now is not the time to bury our heads in the sand.

Blogger, Constance Hall is all for the idea of pill testing at festivals, telling Kidspot; "I think it’s absolutely brilliant. It’s pretty obvious that we aren’t about to stop teenagers from taking drugs, so it makes perfect sense to make it safer. It’s not like we are buying the pills for them, just checking out their stash, making sure it’s not flagged as a dodgy batch."​




Young Australians Want Pill Testing At Music Fests And Would Heed The Results​
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Even though a survey indicated 90 percent would use the service, the testing hasn't been allowed.

The push to legalize drug checking at music festivals in Australia is gathering momentum, with a new study reporting nearly 90 percent of participants said they would use such a service, if it were available, before taking illicit drugs.

Drug checking at music festivals has long been called for by public health advocates and drug reform campaigners. The summer music festival and party season in Australia often sadly sees many drug overdoses and deaths, with many of these reactions ascribed to people ingesting a substance that was sold as something else, or because the drug was laced with more toxic ingredients, such as detergent or rat poison.

During the 2016-2017 festival season, 21 people were hospitalized after bad reactions to drugs taken at a festival. One man died at a Queensland festivalover New Year’s Eve, two men died on a party bus to a festival in Sydney, and three people died and 20 were hospitalized after a bad batch of ecstasy was sold on Melbourne’s Chapel Street.

Drug checking, also known as pill testing, has been in place at parties and music festivals throughout Europe for years. It has shown success in preventing deaths and injuries in the Netherlands, Austria, Portugal and other countries. With the service, someone who wants to take a drug can come to a booth where the pill or powder can be checked scientifically to produce a detailed analysis of its ingredients. Festival-goers can then make an informed decision about what they put in their body.

Despite vigorous efforts from campaigners, health experts and the federal Greens party, pill testing is still not permitted in Australia. Recent studies at Australian universities have indicated that young people want the services to be available and would heed warnings.

The push to legalize drug checking at music festivals in Australia is gathering momentum, with a new study reporting nearly 90 percent of participants said they would use such a service, if it were available, before taking illicit drugs.

Drug checking at music festivals has long been called for by public health advocates and drug reform campaigners. The summer music festival and party season in Australia often sadly sees many drug overdoses and deaths, with many of these reactions ascribed to people ingesting a substance that was sold as something else, or because the drug was laced with more toxic ingredients, such as detergent or rat poison.

During the 2016-2017 festival season, 21 people were hospitalized after bad reactions to drugs taken at a festival. One man died at a Queensland festivalover New Year’s Eve, two men died on a party bus to a festival in Sydney, and three people died and 20 were hospitalized after a bad batch of ecstasy was sold on Melbourne’s Chapel Street.

Drug checking, also known as pill testing, has been in place at parties and music festivals throughout Europe for years. It has shown success in preventing deaths and injuries in the Netherlands, Austria, Portugal and other countries. With the service, someone who wants to take a drug can come to a booth where the pill or powder can be checked scientifically to produce a detailed analysis of its ingredients. Festival-goers can then make an informed decision about what they put in their body.

Despite vigorous efforts from campaigners, health experts and the federal Greens party, pill testing is still not permitted in Australia. Recent studies at Australian universities have indicated that young people want the services to be available and would heed warnings.​




Pill-testing success in ACT proves it should go national, organisers say
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Trial at music festival found many of those tested didn’t know what drug they were taking

The pill-testing trial at a music festival in the Australian Capital Territory was an “overwhelming success” and the federal government should help roll out a scheme nationwide, the organisers have said.

In a report on the trial at the Groovin’ the Moo festival in April, released on Wednesday, the Sta-safe consortium said the government should support a “mixed-model” with pill-testing offered permanently at drug, alcohol and syringe services – not just at festivals and special events.

Although at least one federal minister has already scotched suggestions of a national scheme, the ACT’s justice and mental health minister, Shane Rattenbury, agreed the trial was a “success on the day” and offered support to other events and jurisdictions to follow suit.




EZ Test
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Pill testing kit website - if you do drugs and what not, please at least use a test kit.

Here at EZ Test Australia we are all about harm reduction. We realise that unregulated recreational drugs need to be tested to know that what you’ve bought is what you think it is. The reality is that you are going to take it anyway so you may as well test it.

EZ Test also has a range of tests that can test the Purity of a substance like MDMA and Cocaine. We also have packs that can do a more thorough test on a substance – check out our ‘Ultimate Ecstasy Pack’ and our ‘Ultimate Coke Pack’​

 

Yes Danny, I thought the same, weird reaction but the public love a big headline these days.

Shame no one can think for themselves anymore, and make their own decissions, and accept the consequences.
Not these days, we will not have music in a gathering, because some people chose to take drugs that are not branded, therefore the answer is not to go to a music festival.
These people are actually making laws, it is really hard to believe IMO, there should be an IQ test for politicians.
 

That's the democracy we expect these daze.

I was surprised the event hadn't been shutdown because of the lack of drugs use; considering most of the social justice/engineering and govt policy seems to be a best fit for the haze of drug dependency ... otherwise bizarre to those of us who still have an undamaged brain. Dude where's my car!
 
Haven't read all of DB008's post but the culture of these Music Fests is to juice up on Steroids so you're buff and muscular ( like I assume Tisme is) and to then take a handful of drugs at the Festival itself. Pretty sure that's why the Stereosonic Music Festival closed down.
 
Heh DK you can relate to this: soo funny .... to stoners and children.

 

It would be an ideal place for plain clothed coppers to wander around and find out what's going on, taking photos of dealers with hidden cameras then picking them up later on.
 
I’ve been to plenty of music festivals and concerts in the past, albeit none involving dance music since that’s definitely not my thing, and never once did I do drugs. For that matter, I’ve never used illegal drugs anywhere else either.

So I’m on the conservative side in terms of what I do but I’m strongly in favour of adopting approaches that at least reduce the harm being caused.

Prohibition doesn’t work - never has and never will. If pill testing has a chance of working then let’s at least give it a go.

As usual it seems our politicians are dragging their feet. Climate change, gay marriage and now drugs - this is becoming a pattern it seems and it’s not helping.
 
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As usual it seems our politicians are dragging their feet. Climate change, gay marriage and now drugs - this is becoming a pattern it seems and it’s not helping.
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At one time not so long ago they had nut farms for those with mental disease, even severe melancholy got a guernsey = not a good soln., but back then society wasn't saddled with the guilt it feels compelled to shoulder now we are in the post 2000 age of enlightenment.

The democratic establishment seems ill equipped to handle the massive change in social stratification. Things can't be right when the millenials aren't phased at the prospect of brutal Russian and Chinese authority regimes' infiltration into our societies to exploit the weaknesses of our new dandyboy culture.
 

Tisme, if Australia loosen the laws around drugs, all the weak dandyboys will do HEAPS of drugs and natural selection will cull the herd or they will be so cooked you can use them as cannon fodder with a war against Russia or China. Win Win!!!
 

God, Gladys is hopeless. All this wasted money on fighting drugs. Cocaine is the same price it was 20 years ago, and pingers are even cheaper than they used to be. Shutting down yet more of Sydney's nightlife won't change anything. People in Sydney treat having a line or pill like having a beer.
 
Vancouver officers free to smoke pot, so long as they arrive ‘fit for duty,’ police board says
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VANCOUVER—With just weeks to go before legalization, the Vancouver Police Board approved on Wednesday a set of regulations for officers’ use of cannabis.

As per recommendations laid out in an August report by the Vancouver Police Department, the board rejected a 24-hour pre-shift period of abstinence in favour of a standard that simply states officers must arrive to work “fit for duty.”

Implementing a 24-hour abstinence period is less than ideal, the August report states, because cannabis affects different individuals to varying degrees, and there is no medical consensus on how long cannabinoids like THC — the main psychoactive ingredient in cannabis — take to clear the system.

“Specifying a time frame can create an implicit approval that this period of abstinence is all that’s required to ensure fitness for duty,” the report says. “This can lead to unnecessary labour conflicts where employees are fit for duty but have consumed cannabis within this time frame, or where employees are not fit for duty but mistakenly believe they are as they consumed outside this time frame.”

VPD officers will, however, be prohibited from consuming cannabis “prior to the start their shift,” as is the case with alcohol. They will be allowed to possess controlled drugs while working or on break, so long as the substance is stored for the purposes of transportation in its original, sealed and unopened package.

 

Vancouver has nothing on Toronto ... a city in a constant welfare state of drug addled half wits wasting their lives finagling, getting high, disconnected from individual civic responsibility, etc while the Asian migrants industriously work hard to build their wealth opportunity in the absence of competition. I seem to recall an article that stated the wealth divide because of the drug coma indolence is staggering 600,000 ratio between the wealthy elite and the poor, one in four kids live in abject poverty and the city is boroughed along racial lines at over 50%.

Instead of conducting social experiments perhaps Canada should go back to core principles and reestablish national codes of conduct that once put it above the USA, not on par.
 
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