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Legalise some drugs, outlaw others?

Marijuana news: Pot sales continue to climb in Colorado




http://www.oregonlive.com/marijuana/index.ssf/2014/10/marijuana_news_revenue_from_po.html
 
Ive been around marijuana since I was 14/15. Every one of my friends smokes pot, most also partake in other drugs like cocain,ectasy, acid, mushrooms.

Some smoke pot 5 times a day. Now we are 22. One of my friends who smokes daily got taken away 1 week ago to a mental hospital for the 2nd time. Id say if he never did drugs he would not be there but he also abused it.

I have only done pot 20 times through out my life and although I have nuthing against it and actually think its got heaps of benefits I do believe it comes down to the individual. If I did drugs no doubt id be a looney right now.

They should be legal. You can get whatever you want in this country. For example my uncle was addicted to oppium since he was young. He was clean for a long time but had been suffering from cancer for the last 10 years. When he came to visit us, he went to kings cross and bought 500$ worth of opium. He cant even speak english very well loll. Cancer killed him but my point is if your going to get drugs might as well be clean, and If you want drugs or your personality is fixed more towards that where your a risk taker in that sort of field then your going to get it legal or not. So legalise it.
 


On another note, I know most people would not condone this act but this was a long time ago haha. Pics more so for the supporters
 

I can only speak from my own observations here, but from what I've seen pot fries the brain if you keep doing it past your mid-20's. I know plenty who have messed about with it, and it hasn't worked out well for those who did it long term. OK, they're still alive and functioning, but it's had an affect I'd say. It seems to make it rather hard for them to learn anything new, due to effects on the brain I assume.

I won't claim that to be based on any proper studies etc. It's just what I've observed people do over the years.

Medical use I have no real concerns about if it's prescribed by a doctor etc and properly regulated. But I'd rather we didn't end up with pot being sold like tobacco is at present. The last thing we need is to replace one form of smoking with another on a mass scale. That won't end well.
 
Hmm smurf, joe rogan became a big pot advocate. He still is sharp as a whistle for now. If youve seen the podcast with him and graham hancock its awesome. Graham hancock stopped smoking after years... but he is still smart as.
 
How marijuana legalization in Colorado and Washington is making the world a better place




http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2014/10/17/how-marijuana-legalization-in-colorado-and-washington-is-making-the-world-a-better-place/
 
Catherine Zahn: Legalization is the best approach to cannabis control



http://ottawacitizen.com/news/national/catherine-zahn-legalization-is-the-best-approach-to-cannabis-control
 
Eleven countries studied, one inescapable conclusion – the drug laws don’t work

Eight month study shows legalisation policies do not result in wider use, and the US should be watched with interest




http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/oct/30/drug-laws-international-study-tough-policy-use-problem
 
Guam Legalizes Medical Marijuana


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/11/04/guam-medical-marijuana_n_6100972.html?utm_hp_ref=politics
 
Oregon just passed Marijuana bill.

https://twitter.com/OregonianPol/status/529852314782138368

http://ftpcontent.worldnow.com/kptv/elex/index.html#111

 
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-11-14/afghan-opium-crop-inflames-u-s-tensions-with-russia.html


 
Cannabis extract can have dramatic effect on brain cancer, says new research



http://www.sgul.ac.uk/media/latest-news/cannabis-extract-can-have-dramatic-effect-on-brain-cancer-says-new-research
 
Ice addiction: Children in Canberra as young as 13 abusing methamphetamine

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-11-...n-canberra-as-young-as-13-abusing-ice/5895770

This is disgusting.

As I posted yesterday, there needs to be changes.

AS they grieve the death of their beautiful, vivacious daughter Georgina last weekend, I hope the Bartter family isn’t harassed by the vultures of the drug legalisation lobby.

That’s what happened to the Wood family when their 15-year-old daughter Anna died in 1995 after taking an ecstasy pill. Tony and Angela Wood are still aghast that Dr Alex Wodak sent them a letter two weeks after Anna’s death, trying to recruit them for his campaign to legalise dangerous illegal drugs.

At the time, he was a pillar of the medical establishment at St Vincent’s Hospital as Director of the Alcohol and Drug Service as well as President of the radical Australian Drug Law Reform Foundation.

His two-page letter urged the Woods to “at least make something good come out of Anna’s death” by lobbying politicians to end “tough law enforcement policies”.

They ignored his disgusting, predatory opportunism and went on to make an enormous contribution by touring schools, telling Anna’s story to send the message that illegal drugs are never safe.

Their efforts, together with the courage of whistleblower police like Tim Priest and publicity about the psychosis-inducing potential of cannabis, pressured authorities to take the drug problem seriously.

John Howard’s successful Tough on Drugs regime was launched in 1997 and, for the first time in three decades drug use fell, fewer young people experimented and those who did were older.

Georgina Bartter was born the year Anna Wood died.

By the time she came of age the Tough on Drugs regime had been dismantled, lessons had been forgotten and the same old drug liberalisers were back in the ascendancy.

Bartter’s generation still had drug education, but the message had been cunningly transformed. They were taught that alcohol is just another drug. The only difference is that one is legal and the other is not ”” kind of.

The consequence of this seemingly innocuous shift in language was to erase the distinction between legal and illegal substances.

Young teens saw their parents using alcohol and thought, well, that’s a drug so I might try a more modern drug. Using that calculus, ecstasy makes sense.

Now we have a whole new younger cohort of generation Y who have been taught the harm minimisation doctrine that alcohol is worse, or at least as bad, as illicit drugs and, hey, if you must “use”, here’s how to do it safely. The message was heard loud and clear.

Despite an official panic about a teenage drinking “crisis” the fact is that Generation Y drink far less than their elders. Between 2002 and 2007 the Australian Secondary School Students’ (drugs and alcohol) Use survey found the proportion of 12-15 year olds who had drunk any alcohol in the week before the survey had dropped from 32 to 14 per cent. The proportion of 16 to 17-year-old drinkers went from 50 per cent to about 36 per cent. Alcohol was successfully demonised and drug use among young people started to rise again from 2008.

At the same time a renewed official permissiveness about illicit drugs emerged.

Now you can risk losing your licence for parking infringements, yet one in three drugged drivers get off scot free. This year one in 26 motorists stopped for new police random drug tests tested positive, yet magistrates dismissed charges, or applied no penalty to almost one in three drivers convicted of driving while high.

Drugs are ubiquitous and the ambivalence of authorities has rendered them powerless to protect young people like Georgina. The former Wenona student from Longueville started convulsing and died soon after taking one and a half pills of what her friends said was ecstasy at the Harbourlife music festival at Mrs Macquarie’s Chair on Saturday.

She was a good girl who did well at school and was studying accounting at UTS.

The tragedy could have happened to any family, Paramedics said they treat as many as 1400 young people in a day for the effects of drugs at these sorts of music festivals.

We have ended up in a situation when it is cheaper and easier for a 19-year-old to party on a $25 ecstasy tablet than on alcohol ”” minus the calories. What a sickening waste of a young life.

“Angela and I were devastated when we heard the news about Georgina,” Tony Wood said yesterday.

“The only way we are going to fix this is with zero tolerance … drug education without law enforcement is an absolute waste of money.”

But you can bet the Bartter’s tragedy will be twisted into a propaganda tool for drug liberalisers.

They claim we have lost the so-called war on drugs, but no one ever claimed it was a war that could be won.

What we have done before and can do again is make drugs harder to procure.

That starts with zero tolerance, not a nudge nudge wink wink.
 

I agree wholeheartedly.

What do you think about this Tink? This is also real world.


 
The libertarian side of my brain and the conservative side are at odds when it comes to this question.

I don't want to infringe on the rights of others to use drugs, But I don't want to support it either. I also don't want hard drugs readily available on the streets.

Perhaps this sums up my position.

 
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Yeah, but when people start committing crimes to feed their habit, the it starts to become a problem for the rest of us.

Self grown marijuana ? In non commercial quantities I have no problem with. Too much taxpayers money wasted tracking down and prosecuting an essentially harmless activity.

Ice and ecstasy , no way. Too addictive and deadly.
 
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I'm sure I'm not the only one that has endured the agony of seeing one of their kids slide into drug addiction and become mentally ill in the process? My boy's choice was hooch and you can imagine how uncomfortable I am listening to people brand it as innocuous and beneficial.

I have to give it to whoever the people are that have inculcated large swathes of the population into believing we somehow took an evolutionary step up when the minute hand swept past midnight 2000 and everything our ancestoral wise made taboo from experience became open for debate again.

I will never support legalising drugs. I hate that the courts just kept slapping convictions and fines, with a requirement to watch a video for punishment; they should have refrained from destroying any hope of a decent job and be allowed to impose a worthwhile rehab programme as early intervention, without a stain forevermore. The fallout on the rest of the family was and still is devastating
 
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