So_Cynical
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The whole speech is there in my link...i cant find the above statement anywhere..i did find this little gem though.
Prime Minister John Howard said:
He also said he would not bring it in in the current economic conditions or without the rest of the world making a commitment.
Prime Minister John Howard said:we must position Australia for a low carbon future. We face a major new reform challenge in designing an emissions trading system and setting a long-term goal for reducing our emissions in the absence of a global carbon scheme. These decisions will be amongst the most important Australia takes in the next decade.
The whole speech is there in my link...i cant find the above statement anywhere..i did find this little gem though.
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Firstly. I'm glad, even a little chuffed, that you took my post in the good humour (with serious overtones) that I intended it to be taken. Perhaps you are starting to understand me; I wish others would. Or at least make the effort to.Bitter, yes I'm bitter.
Dissapointed somewhat also, because the government after decieving the electorate, now think by putting off the election, will be able to convince the population that deception is ok.
The whole speech is there in my link...i cant find the above statement anywhere..i did find this little gem though.
Golden isn't it.
Really you're going to make me trawl for it
PM John Howard said:Let me remind you on this point that in 1997 the United States Senate voted unanimously 95 to nil against any treaty that did not include major emitting developing countries. Indeed, when the Clinton Administration signed the Kyoto Protocol, it was then Vice President Al Gore who said that the United States could only ratify once and I quote his words, key developing nations participate. The United States has never ratified because the Al Gore condition of that ratification has never been fulfilled. This is a global problem he said that will need a global solution. A decade later nothing has changed to alter that view. I believe that we have reached a new moment of opportunity in this debate after a decade of inflated rhetoric and modest results under the Kyoto protocol. There is now what I regard as an emerging pragmatic consensus on a way forward that includes all major emitters and Australia is helping to forge this consensus.
FORMER prime minister John Howard says there has been a global shift away from carbon emissions trading and Australia could be going down a lonely path.
Prime Minister Julia Gillard is pushing to have a fixed price put on carbon emissions for three years before moving towards a trading scheme.
Mr Howard said despite going to the 2007 election supporting a trading scheme he now believed there had been a global shift away from that type of action.
"In 2007 people were almost dancing in the streets in favour of these measures," he told ABC TV today.
Mr Howard said the global financial crisis and the collapse of the Copenhagen climate change talks meant the debate had altered.
"Some of the views have shifted on the science, people aren't as certain anymore as they were four years ago," he said.
"There's no chance in the world of the Americans embracing an emissions trading system."
He said the Chinese, Indians and Canadians also were not keen on the idea.
I could probably have expressed that a bit better.Perhaps so, from your objective overall view, but for the people paying those household bills, I doubt they will agree that it's 'less of a problem'.
Firstly. I'm glad, even a little chuffed, that you took my post in the good humour (with serious overtones) that I intended it to be taken. Perhaps you are starting to understand me; I wish others would. Or at least make the effort to.
Secondly, the government is not putting off the election. It is not due yet!!!!!
Perhaps you are starting to understand me; I wish others would. Or at least make the effort to.
None of that is to dispute Henry's argument that tax reform is hard work: of course it is. Voters are understandably concerned about governments abusing their taxing powers; they need to be convinced changes are in their long-term interests.
Those leaders who can, do -- as did Bob Hawke and Paul Keating, John Howard and Peter Costello; those who can't, such as Julia Gillard and Swan, try bribes instead. That is a loser's strategy, as the carbon tax shows. But blaming it on politics, the media and the public makes no sense at all.
Australia's politics is robustly democratic. So is its media. That has always grated on those who see themselves as engineers of the public beneficence. And yes, at times, it may have led to good proposals not being adopted. But the RSPT was not one of them.
A carbon price of $26 will raise approximately $11.5 billion in the first year (2012-2013).
Garnaut Climate Change Review
Garnaut Climate Change Review Summary of Garnaut Review 2011
**Part 6**
$11 Billion?
Right-e-o, where are the projects to help reduce our CO2 emissions???
Solar projects?
Geothermal projects?
Coal Reduction projects?
Garnaut Climate Change Review
Garnaut Climate Change Review Summary of Garnaut Review 2011
**Part 6**
$11 Billion?
Right-e-o, where are the projects to help reduce our CO2 emissions???
Solar projects?
Geothermal projects?
Coal Reduction projects?
It's somewhat shocking when you realise that practically everything in Tas is now government run due to private enterprise having been sent to the wall. About 55% of the population is either on welfare or employed by government.Smurph, someone has started pointing out something you have been alluding to for years.
http://www.theage.com.au/business/the-economy/tasmanian-tradeoff-jobs-or-trees-20120809-23wdq.html
Not only that, as you would know sptrawler, building a plant can take up 3-5 years from initial design to actual working order and producing something. Shouldn't have some planning have been done in the last year or so, so that something could have hit the ground running and a plant getting built, right now???
The way l see it, by the time something does get decided on and gets the go ahead, the election will be upon us and a change of government will also take place...
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