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Reducing it to nothing while leaving the archtecture in place may be a sensible option. Whether it's politically practical is perhaps another matter.I agrre with you, Abbott won't repeal it, more likely as drsmith said reduce the price, as an out.
If one brutal baseball bat bashing by the electorate isn't enough, Labor's battered and bruised body will then be beaten to a bloody pulp from which it may never recover.They will likely need to be rid of obstruction in both houses and that will be up to voters.
If one brutal baseball bat bashing by the electorate isn't enough, Labor's battered and bruised body will then be beaten to a bloody pulp from which it may never recover.
In the unlikely event that she survives to the next election as PM and the above comes to pass, her line will be that the Greens and independents made her do it. While only being partially true, it may be the most honest line of her political career.The only one I'm expecting not to be honest about all this is Julia Gillard herself. If she survives as the member for Lalor, she will probably quit shortly after with a by-election.
+1. There's no way Tony Abbott will leave the carbon tax in place. After all his months of rhetoric about it, to not repeal it would be total political suicide not just for himself, but for the entire Coalition.What I don't agree with is the IF claim that Abbott won't therefore repeal the Carbon Tax. He wouldn't be so foolish so as to not act on the one elction promise he has made. He's seen the results of that, so it's just a forlorn Labor hope. Actually, I think it's a deliberate Labor strategy to paint Abbott as a 'future liar'. If you can't lift Gillard's standing, then the next best thing you can do is bring your opponent down to the same level.
Yes. As above, it's my belief that if Abbott & Co were to honestly say to the electorate that - because of the appalling waste of the Labor government, some costs will be incurred in getting the country back on track, the electorate will largely be prepared to wear that. I know I will.It's a matter of getting the Coaltion to cost this properly before the election. I think the electorate would appreciate some honesty for a change.
Agree. By the time the Libs are elected it's very likely that so called climate change will have sunk even lower in the level of concern of the average voter, as well as internationally. This is already well and truly happening.The 'direct action plan' has to go,
That's an extravagantly optimistic statement.But we don't need to worry about getting to surplus, we are already there (close enough, anyway)
If you're going to compare us with the fiasco that is Greece et al, imo that's hardly a basis for asserting complete financial health for Australia.and with a national debt that is miniscule by world standards. Throw in the results of another year's economic growth and its flow-on effect on tax recipts and that's the least of our troubles. (Unlike Greece, USA, many, many other places.)
Do you seriously think that after the electorate nukes Labor at the next election that what's left will be screaming for more ?
The cold, hard reality is that Labor's failure to sell the carbon tax to the public makes it a millstone around their necks.
When in office, Tony Abbott will bury the carbon tax and Labor along with it should they then choose to throw themselves down the hole after it.
Um, what? Above drsmith clearly suggests he believes Abbott will definitely bury the carbon tax.I agrre with you, Abbott won't repeal it, more likely as drsmith said reduce the price,
That's an extravagantly optimistic statement. If you're going to compare us with the fiasco that is Greece et al, imo that's hardly a basis for asserting complete financial health for Australia. At least compared to the time when the Coalition ran such a healthy surplus.
In fairness, i dd muse recently that one option for removal might be to reduce the rate to zero while leaving the underlying structure in place. This to me would be the iedeal and an easy solution fot TA if legislation was not required. The latter is a long shot though as it's hard to imagine the current government making it that easy.+Um, what? Above drsmith clearly suggests he believes Abbott will definitely bury the carbon tax.
40 years ago it was viable to use oil for power generation and new oil-fired plants were popping up everywhere much like gas-fired ones are today. Likwise, most factory boilers ran on oil (likewise hospitals, hotels etc) and in many areas just about all new homes were built with oil-fired heaters installed as standard. Oil supplied about 50% of world energy and rising.Smurf - like others, I'm very grateful to you for your incredibly informative posts.
For that reason, I'm trying to understand in detail what you think the long-term mistakes (or white elephants) are occurring as a result of this carbon tax.
Has any other tax been so strongly opposed AND by so many voters before? GST would be close, but not as much. In any case, Howard took the divisive GST to an election. Gillard did not. Big difference.
With Gillard admitting on the eve of the election she planned to price carbon if she won, that says she never meant a word she said about her no carbon tax pledge. Carbon tax/carbon price is the same burden on consumers.
Abbott will likely get a massive mandate to repeal it and he needs to follow through on such a mandate.
The carbon tax is simply a wealth redistribution scheme, nothing more, nothing less.Plus the GST was part of tax reform and other taxes were abolished (or supposed to have been) as part of the deal. Also, it was a tax, nothing more nothing less, it wasn't masquerading as anything else. The carbon tax is also a tool to raise revenue but it is being sold to us as something to save the planet which it isn't. When their is a sizeable chunk of othe population that don't believe that planet is doomed anyway they are not going to accept the validity of this tax under any circumstances. That IMO is also why it is so unpopular and so opposed by so many.
Abbott will likely get a massive mandate to repeal it and he needs to follow through on such a mandate.
Is winning an election really a mandate?
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On what basis do you conclude that the carbon tax is more unpopular with those who are more affluent?The carbon tax is simply a wealth redistribution scheme, nothing more, nothing less.
It is unpopular across all of our society, but moreso amongst those with (comparitive) wealth. Hence the vitriol against it here.
:iamwithstThe carbon tax is simply a wealth redistribution scheme, nothing more, nothing less.
Labor will discover just how real those millions of so-called imaginary Australians are on polling day.Many millions of imaginary people. These are by far the most numerous class.
Hi Julia,Not the people who were able to afford, e.g., to put the solar panels on the roof, thus reducing their own electricity costs, but adding to the costs of electricity for the low income group who could not so afford..
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