Labor Pacific Solution

joea said:

It will be the next 800 who will arrive.
I watched a statement from her on TV.
She said that should deter them.
Joea

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I think you can guarantee that they won't be forcing any children on to the plane for Malaysia. It is not a good look.

I'd be very suprised if anyone is sent from mainland Australia to Malaysia, if anyone is ever sent at all.

http://www.smh.com.au/national/malaysia-outgunned-australia-on-refugee-plan-20110509-1efvs.html

Two months ago Australia was discussing a two-for-one exchange, an official familiar with the talks said.

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Our government, having entered the room on its knees, was then obviously requested to adopt a bend-over posture to which it duly complied.

It sounds as though Malaysia get to choose who they take anyway. What a terrific solution to the problem. We pay Malaysia to choose which 800 refugees they want and we get 4000 that they presumably want to move on.
Gillard pulling of another blinder, shot in the foot again. Fortunately I am sure mainstream Australia will find it as idiotic, as we on this forum do.
It is starting to look like death by a thousand blunders.

So now we have the same refugee problem we had before this brilliant "solution" was announced, PLUS we are going to get another 4,000 refugees over the next four years which we weren't going to get before (and I will be surprised if we see 800 refugees going from here to Malaysia and if they do it won't be long before they are replaced by another 800). I don't think the refugees will see this as any deterrent whatsoever.

This is INSANE!

Who would have thought those idiots in the Labor Party could dream up anything to make the refugee problem worse than it was but they have managed! What a situation to be in with Malaysia where we are being treated like fools with them calling all the shots. Truly unbelievable!

Can we PLEEEEASE get rid of thise idiots NOW before they do any more damage?

It came as no little surprise to me to discover that the present ALP elites had gotten in to bed with the Malaysians on their problem of illegal migrants arriving by boat.

It is another stupid decision in the litany of errors commited since they came to government.

Malaysia is ranked 135 on a list of 150, of those who value human rights, in other word there are only 14 more in the world, worse than they.

The Malaysians are a racist, homophobic and controlling nation, and many old school ALP supporters must despair at this idiotic decision.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Malaysia

gg

The cost of getting rid of 800 illegals and replacing them with 4000 legals will be $292 million This works out at a cost of $365.000 per head for each of the 800 we get rid of. I think we could bribe them to go home for a fraction of this. And remember the 4000 newcomers will be a continuing cost for welfare.

The deal is expected to cost $292 million over four years

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http://www.couriermail.com.au/ipad/refugee-exchange-costs-to-hit-300m/story-fn6ck51p-1226052109944

Gillard's Pacific solution with Malaysia and PNG is already fraying at the edges.

Final details with Malaysia have not been ironed out and PNG are upset with the low level of negotiations.

What is Gillards new excuse for not talking to Nauru?


http://blogs.news.com.au/couriermai...ds_latest_boat_people_scheme_already_fraying/

noco said:

Gillard's Pacific solution with Malaysia and PNG is already fraying at the edges.

Final details with Malaysia have not been ironed out and PNG are upset with the low level of negotiations.

What is Gillards new excuse for not talking to Nauru?


http://blogs.news.com.au/couriermai...ds_latest_boat_people_scheme_already_fraying/

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Has Gillard actually thought this whole saga through?

The latest parliamentry news is Adam Brandt, the Greens MP, is about to move a motion to reject the Malaysian deal. If it goes through and is supported by the Coalition and the Indys, it will be the beginning of the end for Ms. Gillard.



http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...unlikely-to-work/story-e6frgd0x-1226054242732

Typically hard headed and realistic analysis by Greg Sheridan above, thanks Noco.

This from the article

Apart from its ineffectiveness as policy, this is corrosive of Australian democracy. Typically, the government makes an announcement with great fanfare seemingly involving a diplomatic breakthrough and new action. Except it is never followed up. It never actually happens. The advertised policy is always kept vague and the diplomatic element unravels slowly, humiliatingly, across several months.

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So true of pretty much everything the government attempts.

Julia said:

So true of pretty much everything the government attempts.

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I hope this one goes ahead. I can't wait to see the fun when they try to get these people on the plane. If those doing the loading are as inept as those trying to get the protesters off the roof at Villawood then we are in for some fun.

It will be a complete shemozzle.

Another boat arrives today with 32 on board. It seems they don't know where they will send these new arrivals:

Full article at News.com: Coalition questions government's policy on asylum seekers after fresh boat

The group will be taken to Christmas Island pending removal to another country after Labor last week announced its plans to send asylum seekers to Malaysia and restart processing in Papua New Guinea (PNG).

Opposition immigration spokesman Scott Morrison said the arrivals showed people smugglers had not been put off by Prime Minister Julia Gillard's spin on a people-swap deal with Malaysia.

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noco said:

Gillard's Pacific solution with Malaysia and PNG is already fraying at the edges.

Final details with Malaysia have not been ironed out and PNG are upset with the low level of negotiations.

What is Gillards new excuse for not talking to Nauru?


http://blogs.news.com.au/couriermai...ds_latest_boat_people_scheme_already_fraying/

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sails said:

Another boat arrives today with 32 on board. It seems they don't know where they will send these new arrivals:

Full article at News.com: Coalition questions government's policy on asylum seekers after fresh boat

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Let us see now how this government deals with the Malaysian beastieboys.

Why not go with Nauru.

It defies belief.

gg

And then here's a later article from the Courier Mail stating that the newest arrivals may be removed to an undisclosed "third country" - whatever that means...

Asylum seeker boat intercepted near Broome; arrivals to be removed to undisclosed "third country"

Some facts revealed about the treatment of asylum seekes in Malayasia. Does Julia Gillard understand that she may be sending these asylum seekers to a life of misery.

Move on refuges makes no sense



The Government's latest foray into the asylum seeker issue is beyond comprehension and I would suggest, contemptible. Malaysia's record on the treatment of refugees is so deplorable we should never agree to send people into what can only be described as a mire of inhumanity and hopelessness.

We send 800 people to a country that Labor acknowledges is not a signatory to the United Nation’s protocol on Refugees and in exchange they send us 4000 back. I just cannot fathom how they could be so stupid as to send a policy like that out into the public arena. Perhaps they planned for a home goal or maybe there is a Coalition maliciously proposing loopy ideas.

It is as if they want to be taken out of their misery and are pleading to have the reins of government taken from them. If it's right to send these people to a country that is not a signatory to the UN protocol then why is Nauru off the table? It would be a far better option.

We would control the treatment of these refugees and have the final say on their processing. We know that the Nauru government would welcome a reopening of the purpose-built centre. The only possible reason for the government not considering it is that the piqued Howard Government did it but it worked.

Let us just have a brief look at what Malaysia offers as a venue for the 800 we plan to send there. The US Committee for Refugees and Immigrants said in a 2009 World Refugee Survey “Malaysian immigration officials continued to sell deportees to gangs that operate along the Malaysia-Thailand border. The gang members extort bribes from the deportees in exchange for smuggling them back to Malaysia and sell those who cannot pay into slavery. Men frequently end up on Thai fishing boats, women in brothels and children with gangs who exploit child beggars”.

Malaysia also, of course, believes in caning where offences involve striking the body that inflicts a wound to the bone. Amnesty International now informs us that in Malaysia, caning of convicts and asylum-seekers has reached “epidemic proportions”.

Disease in camps in Malaysia is commonly caused by insufficient sanitation, poor quality food and irregular access to clean water.

In 2002, the Malaysian parliament made certain immigration offences punishable by caning, notably illegal entry to the country. Australia has just publicly announced a deal which says that we will take 4000 refugees from Malaysia and send 800 there. It stands to reason that we have given implicit consent by our actions of their conduct.

Since we are now a part of Malaysian immigration policy, it might be interesting to note that Amnesty has delivered evidence from Nian Vung, a Burmese refugee, who described his trial “There were 50 of us in court. They tried us in groups of five at once. It lasted half an hour.”

Nian Vung was caned.

What a proud moment this is for Australia, what an honourable arrangement your partially democratically elected government has orchestrated. We can all walk with our heads high around Civic and look up at the noble building on the hill across the other side of the lake.

Say what you like about the Howard government policies on refugees but Papua New Guinea and Nauru did not participate in these barbaric acts which the current Labour government now proposes.

People are being sent to a county where they were denied an individual trial and subsequently caned after a half an hour investigation.

The Howard policies had their detractors, I do not deny that. There were no children in detention by the end of the Howard government because there were no boats arriving. There were no buildings being burnt down under the Howard Government because there was barely anyone there to light the matches. There were no people losing their lives on a desperate boat journey because no one was making the journey in the first place.

But still we were taking 13,000 refugees just as we are now.

Perhaps people won't consider these genuine concerns but merely a rant from a crazy, old boy from the country. This is not about precluding granting asylum to genuine refugees. It is about stopping people from paying smugglers thousands of dollars for a dangerous boat journey in which probably 200 people have been killed over the past year.

Sending people to a place where the possibility of their treatment would be deemed to be completely barbaric.

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My contacts tell me that Tony Abbott has slated Barnaby Joyce as Immigration Minister in the coming Lib/Nats Government.

What a breath of fresh air he will be, compassionate and able and stable.

gg

From what I have heard Thailand want a piece of the action, they take 800 asylum seekers and will send brides. This is getting sillier and sillier.
It obviously has to get to a stage where Gillard and Brown have to walk down the ailse and say we have completely f.....d up please help throw us out. LOL

Brown's idea of marriage with Gillard is to put the whip to her back, not the rock on her finger.

drsmith said:

Brown's idea of marriage with Gillard is to put the whip to her back, not the rock on her finger.

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LOL. How true, how very true.

Over the last fortnight I haven't yet heard anyone in the government asked to explain why they still oppose using Nauru.

The old excuse of not being a signatory to the UN treaty on refugees obviously doesn't wash since the Malaysia deal was proposed.