It's time

[wayneL]

Ive said it before and ill say it again...the best thing the Liberals could do is Dump 1 vote Tony for Turnbull and thus capture the centre,

The centre? Turnbull is left.

the right of the party has no where else to turn and would mostly stay loyal or have there 2 party preferred votes flow to the Liberals anyway....Turnbull would win in a landslide.

...and we'd have a de facto Labor government.

#### that! Australia has had enough of that.

 

[matty77]

This is pure delusion, cloud cookoo stuff :homer: Labor and the greens will preference each other because there's simply no where else to go...the rise of the greens comes on the back of a decade of Howard nothingness, a decade of total isolation and green ignorance.

This is the green backlash Australia had to have.

Ive said it before and ill say it again...the best thing the Liberals could do is Dump 1 vote Tony for Turnbull and thus capture the centre, the right of the party has no where else to turn and would mostly stay loyal or have there 2 party preferred votes flow to the Liberals anyway....Turnbull would win in a landslide.

Turnbull is an idiot and has lost the people - he should be in the Greens with some of the crap that comes out of his mouth. He supported the ETS and he supports the Carbon Tax, we know it, he knows it, and thats why he has to go.

 

[Happy]

There is nothing wrong with any TAX, problem is we are not on this planet alone.

We cannot tax ourselves to disadvantage our economy.

Should every country do the same, fine at least we have some “level playing field” if we go alone, we might disadvantage ourselves for the sake of doing it.

After all targeting 2% of global pollution (Australia is responsible for 2% of global pollution) is not the smartest thing to do, at least not in view of 80 / 20 principle.

 

[Starcraftmazter]

All hail Ms. Gillard - best prime minister in a long time. Takes money from the rich, gives it to the poor and doesn't afraid of anything!

People are tired of Abbott's FUD. It is inevitable that ALP/Greens coalition of awesome will take the next election and usher in a new era of prosperity, with Ms. Gillard at the helm.

o/ Greens

 

[bandicoot76]

There is nothing wrong with any TAX, problem is we are not on this planet alone.
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i disagree, there is PLENTY wrong with any tax, tax takes money from the productive private sector and sinks it in the miss-managed, beaurocrat heavy public sector. this ron paul quote sums it up perfectly:

"We need to understand the more government spends, the more freedom is lost... Instead of simply debating spending levels, we ought to be debating whether the departments, agencies, and programs funded by the budget should exist at all."
”” Ron Paul

yes i do acknowledge that taxation is a nescessary evil but it should be limited to just provide the basics of govt (healthcare, infrastructure, police,military etc) and not simply be an economy-crippling wealth redistribution mechanism

 

[Julia]

i disagree, there is PLENTY wrong with any tax, tax takes money from the productive private sector and sinks it in the miss-managed, beaurocrat heavy public sector. this ron paul quote sums it up perfectly:

"We need to understand the more government spends, the more freedom is lost... Instead of simply debating spending levels, we ought to be debating whether the departments, agencies, and programs funded by the budget should exist at all."
”” Ron Paul

yes i do acknowledge that taxation is a nescessary evil but it should be limited to just provide the basics of govt (healthcare, infrastructure, police,military etc) and not simply be an economy-crippling wealth redistribution mechanism

Totally agree.

 

[trainspotter]

All hail Ms. Gillard - best prime minister in a long time. Takes money from the rich, gives it to the poor and doesn't afraid of anything!

People are tired of Abbott's FUD. It is inevitable that ALP/Greens coalition of awesome will take the next election and usher in a new era of prosperity, with Ms. Gillard at the helm.

o/ Greens

Just take your meds and sit in the corner. Kool Aid is over there ----------------->

P.S. Is Julia Gillard Robin Hood ?

P.P.S. I thought you said you didn't drink?

 

[wayneL]

Takes money from the rich, gives it to the poor

(Wo)Men in Tights?

By the grace of God, we are subjected only to the offensive and unsuccessful Fabian ideology of wealth redistribution; and not the fashion sense of the above.

Julia and Wayne in green tights would be too much for anyone to bear.

 

[moXJO]

All hail Ms. Gillard - best prime minister in a long time. Takes money from the rich, gives it to the poor and doesn't afraid of anything!

What an awesome way to run the country.

 

[Starcraftmazter]

What an awesome way to run the country.

This is obviously the most successful way to run the country. The reason is; it takes the money from people who screw over other people, and gives it back to the screwed over people - ensuring some semblance of fairness.

 

[moXJO]

This is obviously the most successful way to run the country. The reason is; it takes the money from people who screw over other people, and gives it back to the screwed over people - ensuring some semblance of fairness.

you know, I think you now qualify as the labor finance minister move over swannie

 

[Starcraftmazter]

you know, I think you now qualify as the labor finance minister move over swannie

My first policy agenda would be to put in a 90% tax on mining companies (as well as forcing them to apologise for stealing our national wealth). Perhaps we could do a ceremony where everyone spanks the CEOs?

 

[trainspotter]

This is obviously the most successful way to run the country. The reason is; it takes the money from people who screw over other people, and gives it back to the screwed over people - ensuring some semblance of fairness.

You mean the Government? Remember that was why Robin of Loxley was robbing from the rich to give to the poor. His particular animosity towards the Sheriff of Nottingham and his merciless taxing of the peasants has been duly noted in many a fable.

Is this with which you aspire?

http://www.ato.gov.au/

Our Tax System Explained:

Suppose that every day, ten men go out for beer and the bill for all ten
comes to $100. If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes, it
would go something like this:

The first four men (the poorest) would pay nothing.
The fifth would pay $1.
The sixth would pay $3.
The seventh would pay $7.
The eighth would pay $12.
The ninth would pay $18.
The tenth man (the richest) would pay $59.

So, that’s what they decided to do.

The ten men drank in the bar every day and seemed quite happy with the
arrangement, until one day, the owner threw them a curve. ‘Since you are
all such good customers,’ he said, ‘I’m going to reduce the cost of your
daily beer by $20.’ Drinks for the ten now cost just $80.

The group still wanted to pay their bill the way we pay our taxes so the
first four men were unaffected. They would still drink for free. But
what about the other six men - the paying customers? How could they
divide the $20 windfall so that everyone would get his ‘fair share?’
They realized that $20 divided by six is $3.33. But if they subtracted
that from everybody’s share, then the fifth man and the sixth man would
each end up being paid to drink his beer.

So, the bar owner suggested that it would be fair to reduce each man’s
bill by roughly the same amount, and he proceeded to work out the
amounts each should pay.

And so:
The fifth man, like the first four, now paid nothing (100% savings).
The sixth now paid $2 instead of $3 (33%savings).
The seventh now pay $5 instead of $7 (28%savings).
The eighth now paid $9 instead of $12 (25% savings).
The ninth now paid $14 instead of $18 (22% savings).
The tenth now paid $49 instead of $59 (16% savings).

Each of the six was better off than before. And the first four continued
to drink for free. But once outside the restaurant, the men began to
compare their savings.

‘I only got a dollar out of the $20,’declared the sixth man. He pointed
to the tenth man,’ but he got $10!’
‘Yeah, that’s right,’ exclaimed the fifth man. ‘I only saved a dollar,
too. It’s unfair that he got ten times more than I got’ ‘That’s true!!’
shouted the seventh man. ‘Why should he get $10 back when I got only
two? The wealthy get all the breaks!’
‘Wait a minute,’ yelled the first four men in unison. ‘We didn’t get
anything at all. The system exploits the poor!’
The nine men surrounded the tenth and beat him up.

The next night the tenth man didn’t show up for drinks so the nine sat
down and had beers without him. But when it came time to pay the bill,
they discovered something important. They didn’t have enough money
between all of them for even half of the bill!

And that, ladies and gentlemen, journalists and college professors, is
how our tax system works. The people who pay the highest taxes get the
most benefit from a tax reduction. Tax them too much, attack them for
being wealthy, and they just may not show up anymore. In fact, they
might start drinking overseas where the atmosphere is somewhat friendlier.

David R. Kamerschen, Ph.D.
Professor of Economics
University of Georgia

For those who understand, no explanation is needed.
For those who do not understand, no explanation is possible.

 

[Starcraftmazter]

And that, ladies and gentlemen, journalists and college professors, is
how our tax system works. The people who pay the highest taxes get the
most benefit from a tax reduction. Tax them too much, attack them for
being wealthy, and they just may not show up anymore. In fact, they
might start drinking overseas where the atmosphere is somewhat friendlier.

Age old fallacy. People are quite free to move to other countries, and let them - nay, encourage them. I have no desire for greedy people.

The positions who's salary is taxed always stay in one place. If someone leaves, another person will take their place and still pay the tax on the salary they get from the same position.

End result: Less greedy people, better society.

 

[moXJO]

Age old fallacy. People are quite free to move to other countries, and let them - nay, encourage them. I have no desire for greedy people.

The positions who's salary is taxed always stay in one place. If someone leaves, another person will take their place and still pay the tax on the salary they get from the same position.

End result: Less greedy people, better society.

Yeah so who is going to open all the business under your tax regime to employ those poor suckers to pay all that tax? Or do we all just sit around pulling cones.

 

[Starcraftmazter]

Yeah so who is going to open all the business under your tax regime to employ those poor suckers to pay all that tax? Or do we all just sit around pulling cones.

What is my tax regime? I haven't proposed any differences from our current one (yet).

As to your question, we don't really need new business. In fact in reality we probably need our businesses to decline, to match our declining population (after we ban immigration and kick all undesirable immigrants out).

 

[moXJO]

What is my tax regime? I haven't proposed any differences from our current one (yet).

As to your question, we don't really need new business. In fact in reality we probably need our businesses to decline, to match our declining population (after we ban immigration and kick all undesirable immigrants out).

love it

 

[trainspotter]

Age old fallacy. People are quite free to move to other countries, and let them - nay, encourage them. I have no desire for greedy people.

The positions who's salary is taxed always stay in one place. If someone leaves, another person will take their place and still pay the tax on the salary they get from the same position.

End result: Less greedy people, better society.

LOL ....... you are not understanding the analogy there young gun are you? The rich people (miners) pay a lot of tax and keep the people employed who in turn pay taxes It is about the velocity of money that you struggle with isn't it?

Your nay desire to have these kind of people around you in your "Animal Farm" Utopia will not serve you well in the long run. Lenin and Trotsky have tried this to no avail. China is now a semi quasi free trade capitalist society (just go to ebay and see how much stuff is from China) and Cuba does not even rate a mention. Go and have a look at North Korea and see how many allies they have and how well the general population is doing.

P.S. Perhaps it would be better if you went there personally, nay I encourage you to move to another country and see what the "real" world is all about before you espouse your Fabius maximus rhetoric like a misguided servile factotum of the Green movement that you have so far displayed your colours thus far.

 

[Starcraftmazter]

LOL ....... you are not understanding the analogy there young gun are you? The rich people (miners) pay a lot of tax and keep the people employed who in turn pay taxes It is about the velocity of money that you struggle with isn't it?

Your nay desire to have these kind of people around you in your "Animal Farm" Utopia will not serve you well in the long run. Lenin and Trotsky have tried this to no avail. China is now a semi quasi free trade capitalist society (just go to ebay and see how much stuff is from China) and Cuba does not even rate a mention. Go and have a look at North Korea and see how many allies they have and how well the general population is doing.

P.S. Perhaps it would be better if you went there personally, nay I encourage you to move to another country and see what the "real" world is all about before you espouse your Fabius maximus rhetoric like a misguided servile factotum of the Green movement that you have so far displayed your colours thus far.

All that (and Animal Farm) is some pretty chronic propaganda. None of the countries you mentioned have any semblance of equality nor fairness - and they certainly don't have anything to do with communism, nor even socialism.


There is nothing wrong with mining companies nor miners, they simply need to pay their fair share. And people working in mining get paid far far far too much (just another sign of the fact that the industry is too profitable).

 

[moXJO]

and they certainly don't have anything to do with communism, nor even socialism.

Cuba isn't?