Is Shorten PM material?

Joe Blow · 16 January 2017

PZ99 said:
Joe, I wanted to know if it is possible to add a (yes/no) poll to this thread and the Turnbull thread? This thread is quite old but things have changed and I reckon it would produce some interesting results. Cheers.

I've added a poll to this thread but I'm wondering if it's a bit of a moot point with Turnbull given that he already is PM?

PZ99 · 16 January 2017

Joe Blow said:
I've added a poll to this thread but I'm wondering if it's a bit of a moot point with Turnbull given that he already is PM?

Thanks for that. It's more a comparison between the two that arouses the curiosity given so many people feel we've reached the lowest common denominator with political leadership.

Joe Blow · 16 January 2017

PZ99 said:
Thanks for that. It's more a comparison between the two that arouses the curiosity given so many people feel we've reached the lowest common denominator with political leadership.

Fair enough. I guess it can't hurt. I'll add one to the Turnbull thread now.

Tisme · 23 January 2017

I'm sure the Abbotts and Turnbulls will be quick out of the blocks trying to blame Bill Shorten for the resignation of Graeme Watson for the Fair Work Commission .... because the commission wasn't fair on him, poor darling.

This is the same Liberal Party hack who represented Patricks Stevadores, wharf "scabs", black dressed guards and their vicious dogs. My bet is he didn't care a fair work back then and probably doesn't now.

noco · 23 January 2017

Tisme said:
I'm sure the Abbotts and Turnbulls will be quick out of the blocks trying to blame Bill Shorten for the resignation of Graeme Watson for the Fair Work Commission .... because the commission wasn't fair on him, poor darling.

This is the same Liberal Party hack who represented Patricks Stevadores, wharf "scabs", black dressed guards and their vicious dogs. My bet is he didn't care a fair work back then and probably doesn't now.

And the outcome of it all is the wharfies went from handing 16 containers per hour to 28 .....Great improvement.

Tisme · 23 January 2017

noco said:
And the outcome of it all is the wharfies went from handing 16 containers per hour to 28 .....Great improvement.

Yes there were positives like Peter Reith ruining what shreds of his decency were left and of course productivity.

The downside was the traumatisation of women and children, taxpayer monies spent of behalf of illegal company activities, found as such before the Federal and High courts, the government sponsored terrorism in the form of paid ex SAS and overseas mercenary soldiers to act against citizens of Australia.

It would be interesting to see how those employed thugs are fairing now, even after getting a $50k handshake.

noco · 23 January 2017

Tisme said:
Yes there were positives like Peter Reith ruining what shreds of his decency were left and of course productivity.

The downside was the traumatisation of women and children, taxpayer monies spent of behalf of illegal company activities, found as such before the Federal and High courts, the government sponsored terrorism in the form of paid ex SAS and overseas mercenary soldiers to act against citizens of Australia.

It would be interesting to see how those employed thugs are fairing now, even after getting a $50k handshake.

Do you have a link to back up your statement or is that just general rhetoric.

It was a fight against the ruthless stand over tactics of wharfies union and the union lost...Stiff bickies.

Tisme · 23 January 2017

noco said:
Do you have a link to back up your statement or is that just general rhetoric.

It was a fight against the ruthless stand over tactics of wharfies union and the union lost...Stiff bickies.

Yes, it's called the internet and .gov.au. How poor is your memory that you can't recall the train of events and the players involved. This was a situation where the entire free world's ports systems nearly stopped in sympathy and you have convenient politically biased amnesia?!!

Do you have any facts to backup your statements about ruthless standover tactics by wharfies, or you dutifully just parroting the anti working class Murdoch Liberal Party?

noco · 23 January 2017

Tisme said:
Yes, it's called the internet and .gov.au. How poor is your memory that you can't recall the train of events and the players involved. This was a situation where the entire free world's ports systems nearly stopped in sympathy and you have convenient politically biased amnesia?!!

Do you have any facts to backup your statements about ruthless standover tactics by wharfies, or you dutifully just parroting the anti working class Murdoch Liberal Party?

Trolling again..What a shame you can't control yourself...I thought Joe Blow had stamped out your capers but I see you are starting it again.

moXJO · 23 January 2017

They offered to sell the wharf to the unions for $1. Of course it was knocked back by the unions.

The gravy train simply couldn't continue.

PZ99 · 23 January 2017

You only have to watch the first part of the Howard years to know what happened in that vicious dogs episode. Strange set of circumstances where all sides claimed victory, workers kept their jobs/conditions, productivity improved, Howard narrowly survived, and Peter Reith was left with a turd pile in his pants... ironically, the "win for all" is precisely what Fairwork is supposed to do but common sense will tell you when you fill up Fairwork with union hacks and Workchoice stooges you'll end up with a dysfunctional department and that's exactly what's been happening. Their decision for hospitality Sunday rates is about 6 months overdue although I guess now that they've ejected the obstructionist conservative they might get it done fairly soon.

But yeah, it was only a matter of minutes for Tony Abbott to remind everyone why he will never be PM again by defending his mate who tried to cut workers' wages.

Graeme Watson is a grub.

Tisme · 24 January 2017

noco said:
Trolling again..What a shame you can't control yourself...I thought Joe Blow had stamped out your capers but I see you are starting it again.

No I put forward a discussion and you sought to hijack it for your own adversarial want to be seen as a middle class warrior, protector of the Holy Liberal Party sceptre, even if it is patently a display of cultural relativism gone awry (denial of your working class roots).

If I was trolling you would know it as similar to your own emotionally charged and anti working class posts, but in this instance I merely stated historical fact.

I'm sure like minded wannabe silver spoons found great sport in watching scummy wharfies and their families getting their just deserts for bringing home more pay than anyone else in the state housing estate; it's how working class people think in the absence of wealth creation and cultured behaviour ... don't you think?

Tisme · 24 January 2017

PZ99 said:
But yeah, it was only a matter of minutes for Tony Abbott to remind everyone why he will never be PM again by defending his mate who tried to cut workers' wages.

Graeme Watson is a grub

I missed it, did Tony come to his mates defense and blame Billy? Sooo predictable.

Yes Graeme has let the whole world know of his entrenched bias, by accusing others of having an opposing view to his own consuming politics. There could be a case for review of past decisions, now we know he has espoused his impartiality problem.

noco · 24 January 2017

Tisme said:
No I put forward a discussion and you sought to hijack it for your own adversarial want to be seen as a middle class warrior, protector of the Holy Liberal Party sceptre, even if it is patently a display of cultural relativism gone awry (denial of your working class roots).

If I was trolling you would know it as similar to your own emotionally charged and anti working class posts, but in this instance I merely stated historical fact.

I'm sure like minded wannabe silver spoons found great sport in watching scummy wharfies and their families getting their just deserts for bringing home more pay than anyone else in the state housing estate; it's how working class people think in the absence of wealth creation and cultured behaviour ... don't you think?

It is a pity you can't speak simple English instead of all this double dutch mumbo jumbo...It is so boring and uninteresting.

Being a show man does not become you.

Apathetic : Lack of interest....indifference....insensibility.

Tisme · 24 January 2017

noco said:
It is a pity you can't speak simple English instead of all this double dutch mumbo jumbo...It is so boring and uninteresting.

Being a show man does not become you.

Apathetic : Lack of interest....indifference....insensibility.

I would have thought any cultured industrialist would have a handle on the English language, thus my posts are aimed at the more erudite amongst us. Speaking working class is so beneath me.

noco · 24 January 2017

Tisme said:
I would have thought any cultured industrialist would have a handle on the English language, thus my posts are aimed at the more erudite amongst us. Speaking working class is so beneath me.

Yes, we all know you are superior to all others and that you have an IQ of 170 + but you don't have to keep reminding us every day by looking down your nose at the working class below you.

PZ99 · 25 January 2017

So two days after Graeme Watson leaves the FWC Bill Shorten hints at Labor changing the rules if penalty rates are cut which is a major backflip on his previous comments...

http://www.news.com.au/national/pol...e/news-story/48eb2e64dc8bc84d41c23eee889361d1
“If the commission were to cut penalty rates for hundreds of thousands of already low-paid workers without sufficient compensation — leaving people worse off, Labor would not accept this,”

This is the statement Labor should have made prior to the election which might have scored them an extra seat or two. They are supposed to be the workers party after all. I hope Bill has some good answers ready when the Coalition pull him up for his earlier deals at Cleanevent et-al. Now that Labor have stated their position they are going to have to maintain it all the way to the next election because it's the one area where they have the wood on the Liberal Party regardless of who leads it..

Tisme · 25 January 2017

noco said:
Yes, we all know you are superior to all others and that you have an IQ of 170 + but you don't have to keep reminding us every day by looking down your nose at the working class below you.

Thankyou for your compliments. I'm sure they are heart felt, coming from a fabian such as yourself.

noco · 25 January 2017

Tisme said:
Thankyou for your compliments. I'm sure they are heart felt, coming from a fabian such as yourself.

Me a Fabian???.....no chance there baby.

Tisme · 26 January 2017

noco said:
Me a Fabian???.....no chance there baby.

Closet fabian then

Is Shorten PM material?