Is Shorten PM material?

Logique · 24 October 2015

Movement in the camp? According to ALP polling, Tanya rates first amongst the equals.

Bill Shorten starts to become an issue for Labor
James Massola, Political correspondent- Sydney Morning Herald - October 24, 2015
http://www.smh.com.au/federal-polit...ecome-an-issue-for-labor-20151023-gkgpr3.html

Ferret · 24 October 2015

I don't think he'll be around much longer.

I'm a swing voter and Shorten is really starting to grate on me. I think his pitches have become more desperate Turnbull took over. I'm sure his days are numbered.

The thing is, there doesn't seem to be a strong alternative in Labor at this time. Turnbull will walk it in at the next election, and I'll be quite happy about that.

SirRumpole · 25 October 2015

Ferret said:
I don't think he'll be around much longer.

I'm a swing voter and Shorten is really starting to grate on me. I think his pitches have become more desperate Turnbull took over. I'm sure his days are numbered.

The thing is, there doesn't seem to be a strong alternative in Labor at this time. Turnbull will walk it in at the next election, and I'll be quite happy about that.

Most people think that Labor will lose the next election, so I think they should at least go down fighting.

Put in a decent pitch for a proper Minerals Resource Rent Tax like we already have on oil and gas as an alternative to GST lifting/widening and they would have a good chance if they sell it properly. Likewise for cracking down on NG and super tax breaks.

Of course I think we are being a bit hard on Shorten as he obviously want to keep his powder dry untill the election.

Tisme · 25 October 2015

Logique said:
Movement in the camp? According to ALP polling, Tanya rates first amongst the equals.

If she gets up I'll probably give my vote to Turbull's camp..... I've had enough of her and Wong's gender politics...

...that'll teach both a lesson

bellenuit · 25 October 2015

Tisme said:
If she gets up I'll probably give my vote to Turbull's camp..... I've had enough of her and Wong's gender politics...

...that'll teach both a lesson

Not to forget her exploiting the Indonesian phone tapping issue to embarrass the coalition government even though it happened under the Labor Party's term in office. Treachery imho.

noco · 27 October 2015

Is Bill Shorten PM material????????????

It would appear voters have answered that question very clearly.

Shorten is gone.......Tanya will be in to make things worse for Labor.

Labor never learns from their mistakes.

Bring on a DD in March 2016.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...ull-surges-ahead/story-fnihslxi-1227583286958

BILL Shorten’s popularity has plunged to a record low, while Malcolm Turnbull’s support as preferred prime minister has skyrocketed, according to the latest Newspoll.

But it’s not only good news for the PM, with the coalition increasing its lead against Labor in two-party terms, from 50 to 52 per cent , while Labor dipped to 48.
Happy ... The Prime Minister of Australia Malcolm Turnbull. Picture: Getty

The poll published in The Australian shows Mr Turnbull has increased his standing as “better PM” from 57 per cent two weeks ago to 63 per cent.

Mr Shorten fell to his worst result, dropping two per cent to 17.
Unpopular ... Opposition leader Bill Shorten. Picture: Tait Schmaal

The Newspoll survey also shows support for the Greens has slipped one point to 11 per cent, while “others” stands at nine per cent.

dutchie · 27 October 2015

noco said:
Is Bill Shorten PM material????????????

It would appear voters have answered that question very clearly.

Shorten is gone.......Tanya will be in to make things worse for Labor.

Labor never learns from their mistakes.

Bring on a DD in March 2016.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...ull-surges-ahead/story-fnihslxi-1227583286958

BILL Shorten’s popularity has plunged to a record low, while Malcolm Turnbull’s support as preferred prime minister has skyrocketed, according to the latest Newspoll.

But it’s not only good news for the PM, with the coalition increasing its lead against Labor in two-party terms, from 50 to 52 per cent , while Labor dipped to 48.
Happy ... The Prime Minister of Australia Malcolm Turnbull. Picture: Getty

The poll published in The Australian shows Mr Turnbull has increased his standing as “better PM” from 57 per cent two weeks ago to 63 per cent.

Mr Shorten fell to his worst result, dropping two per cent to 17.
Unpopular ... Opposition leader Bill Shorten. Picture: Tait Schmaal

The Newspoll survey also shows support for the Greens has slipped one point to 11 per cent, while “others” stands at nine per cent.

I'm predicting that Shortens' approval rate will go into the negative number.

Tisme · 27 October 2015

dutchie said:
I'm predicting that Shortens' approval rate will go into the negative number.

Imagine how Tony feels having trailed Shorten by a country mile.

MrBurns · 27 October 2015

I think Shorten will put on a false beard and skip the country soon, he must be terribly embarrassed

noco · 27 October 2015

MrBurns said:
I think Shorten will put on a false beard and skip the country soon, he must be terribly embarrassed

He has only got himself to blame.....He only has a half a brain.

He comes on TV for an interview and all he has to say is :-

Mr.Turnbulls gunna cut ya pension.

Mr.Tirnbulls gunna cut ya penalty rates.

Mr. Turnbulls gunna cut ya kids family benefits.

Wake up Bill!!!!!....people are sick of hearing your BS after you cut the penalty rates to the Chiquita and Cleanevent workers..

Stop being a bloody hypocrite.

sptrawler · 27 October 2015

noco said:
He has only got himself to blame.....He only has a half a brain.

He comes on TV for an interview and all he has to say is :-

Mr.Turnbulls gunna cut ya pension.

Mr.Tirnbulls gunna cut ya penalty rates.

Mr. Turnbulls gunna cut ya kids family benefits.

Wake up Bill!!!!!....people are sick of hearing your BS after you cut the penalty rates to the Chiquita and Cleanevent workers..

Stop being a bloody hypocrite.

The problem for Bill is, the general public know cuts are needed, he's an idiot.IMO

While Abbott was there, he was the focal point of all the blame, know he's gone Bill has to use his charm and charisma.

That should go into the joke thread.

Bill's on life support and it won't be long before it is switched off.IMO

sptrawler · 27 October 2015

It is a shame Crean and Ferguson retired, last election, jeez they could do with those two now.IMO

MrBurns · 27 October 2015

sptrawler said:
It is a shame Crean and Ferguson retired, last election, jeez they could do with those two now.IMO

Couple of creeps IMO

sptrawler · 27 October 2015

MrBurns said:
Couple of creeps IMO

I don't disagree with that, but at least they were stable, the Labor Party at the moment is loony tune amusement park.
The general public, can't work out where any sensible Labor policy is going to come from, then the policy has to be sold by Bill.

Best of luck with that.

It just isn't good for Australia in general, when the major opposition party is incoherent. Two strong political parties, makes for more robust and intelligently formulated, vision.

We really do need that, recent political history has been too focused on, soap opera politics.
Maybe to reinforce, why we don't need the Republican model imagine President Kev, Julia or Tony.

I would think it would be more apt, to have an aptitude test, when someone enters parliament.

Then they could be at least ranked on their mental competence, most employers do that for employees.

MrBurns · 27 October 2015

sptrawler said:
I don't disagree with that, but at least they were stable, the Labor Party at the moment is loony tune amusement park.
The general public, can't work out where any sensible Labor policy is going to come from, then the policy has to be sold by Bill.
Best of luck with that.
It just isn't good for Australia in general, when the major opposition party is incoherent. Two strong political parties, makes for more robust and intelligently formulated, vision.
We really do need that, recent political history has been too focused on, soap opera politics.
Maybe to reinforce, why we don't need the Republican model imagine President Kev, Julia or Tony.
I would think it would be more apt, to have an aptitude test, when someone enters parliament.
Then they could be at least ranked on their mental competence, most employers do that for employees.

Yep, agree but the ALP has no one worthy of leading them and I agree that's not good for Australia but it may make them wake up to themselves and provide a quality leader.

Not sure who though......

sptrawler · 27 October 2015

MrBurns said:
Yep, agree but the ALP has no one worthy of leading them and I agree that's not good for Australia but it may make them wake up to themselves and provide a quality leader.

Not sure who though......

The problem is Labor are playing to a lost audience, Australia, whether we like it or not, are now part of the 'Global' economy.

They decided to a part of it, but are now trying to play to peoples fear of it, people have moved on Labor hasn't.

As can be seen by Bluescope workers agreeing to compromise, workers aren't stupid, but Labor are still talking "we aren't going to give up jobs to overseas".

Yet they gave Gina the ok, to bring in overseas workers for Roy Hill, how stupid do they think the Australian voter is.

They need to get a coherent agenda, even if it is just a general, believable vision.

With the proviso, they come up with a way to fund it, that will make it difficult for them.

noco · 28 October 2015

MrBurns said:
Couple of creeps IMO

Yeah but probably the best of all the creeps in the LUG Party.

sptrawler · 28 October 2015

noco said:
Yeah but probably the best of all the creeps in the LUG Party.

Absulutely noco, I personally am disenfranchised with Labor, as I feel they represent personal gain over party ideology.

When they get back to what is best for Australians, rather than, what they think everyone wants to hear. I'll vote for them.

At the moment, they don't have a clue of who they are representing, or the ramifications of their add hock ideas, I wouldn't even rate them as policies.

Maybe someone can talk Keating into returning to politics, if not, Labor are going the way of Don Chipp and the Australian Democrats.

Some loony will take control and sink it.

Tisme · 28 October 2015

sptrawler said:
Absulutely noco, I personally am disenfranchised with Labor, as I feel they represent personal gain over party ideology.

When they get back to what is best for Australians, rather than, what they think everyone wants to hear. I'll vote for them.

At the moment, they don't have a clue of who they are representing, or the ramifications of their add hock ideas, I wouldn't even rate them as policies.

Maybe someone can talk Keating into returning to politics, if not, Labor are going the way of Don Chipp and the Australian Democrats.

Some loony will take control and sink it.

Perhaps someone should have impressed upon the Labor pollies that the honeymoon period that should have been afforded Turnbull would have given them the same grace period to formulate an action plan.

So long as Plibersek and Wong have a public profile with their dismissive styles, it's going to be hard for all but lesbians, hard core laborites and man faced feminists to connect.... they seem more focused on how to make people around the margins feel included than realising there are a vast majority who have a selfish desire to do better with some encouragement from govt.

poverty · 28 October 2015

To me the ALP has never made sense.

Supports:

- the rough around the edges blue collar workers and champion of the organised crime-based unions
- gay rights movement, greenies etc

The average blue-collar bloke would probably be happy to drive over a greenie with his bulldozer or back over him in his V8 ute, probably doesn't care much for 'pooftas' either.

Could the two supporter bases be any more poles apart? This is why it takes a more than ordinairy leader to make a Labor government work. Hawke and Keating could seize the middle ground and inspire the nation, Gillard and Shorten? Their condescending dreary primary-school teacher speeches makes one want for euthanasia. If it wasn't for compulsory voting Labor would be a non-entity.

Is Shorten PM material?