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Is cryptocurrency the greatest market bubble of all time?

What's the purpose? thats a good question.

More broadly - Why are there currently 13,235 different crypto tokens with a market cap of 869 Billion USD?

Why do some people collect physical silver? My neighbour has 8 cats - Why? Some people go on holiday to North Korea - why?
Elon paid 44 billion for Twitter - thats nuts - why do that?, why build rockets and plan to go to Mars - its irrational, its all irrational.
 
That didn’t actually answer my question.

Which was how would the frictional costs of the system described by so cynical be paid.

Also, I guess I can add to that how is the long term viability of these gold back coins you linked maintained, because surely if they are backed by gold that gold requires a certain fixed monthly cost to store.

It’s a genuine question I have, eg how does their business model cover the cost of providing the coins and storing the gold?
 
The 13,235 different cryptos exist because people are speculating on them trying to get rich quick, but of course this doesn’t imply that any of them have any real long term value.

Silver is a real commodity with a real use, so had some value even if you took the speculators away.

Pets and holidays have real world positives outcomes.

Twitter has a chance of being a real business producing real cashflow and paying dividends.

What do the crypto’s do for their holders outside of hoping a bigger idiot comes along to pay more?
 
The presumption must be that any frictional and storage costs would be assessed proportionally to the stable coin holder in some manner. I am unaware of the specifics of how this would be done. I will be more interested in such details once a gold-backed stable coin project gains momentum, recognition and broad acceptance as sound digital money and a real store of value.
 
I will be more interested in such details once a gold-backed stable coin project gains momentum, recognition and broad acceptance as sound digital money and a real store of value.
I think I would prefer one of the many other stores of value that also produce income, rather than being a net cost to me.

I can see the small benefit of having a "store of value" as insurance against calamity that exists mainly digitally that I can log in and access any where in the world, but as soon as you tie this "store of value" to a lump of gold sitting in a location some where, we lose part of its insurance value in that it can be lost to governments, theft or corruption in times of war etc when we would need it the most.

I kinda feel like chasing a digital store of value is a bit like chasing a dream of designing a perpetual motion machine, it's just not going to work. As soon as you try and build in gold backing etc to legitimise it you begin to lose the parts of the digital currency dream that were attractive in the first place.

As I have said before digital currencies will work, but they will be fiat style ones backed by reserve banks and designed to be actual currencies, not these speculative things.
 
I think I would prefer one of the many other stores of value that also produce income, rather than being a net cost to me.
Gold ownership either requires self-custody (free, but not risk free) or a trusted custodian for a fee. Real digital gold requires a trusted custodial model. A store of value implies retention of purchasing power relative to debased fiat and low volatility. Returning to a gold standard today would likely necessitate a blockchain based solution.

as soon as you tie this "store of value" to a lump of gold sitting in a location some where, we lose part of its insurance value in that it can be lost to governments, theft or corruption in times of war etc when we would need it the most.
This is true of any asset not in self-custody. Even then, anything you own can be confiscated or rendered useless/valueless by governments whether in your direct possession or not.

As I have said before digital currencies will work, but they will be fiat style ones backed by reserve banks and designed to be actual currencies, not these speculative things.
Agree that CBDC will dominate. A gold backed CBDC, essentially returning to a gold standard, would be ideal but seems unlikely. If, as some have suggested, a "great financial reset" event occurs and ushers in a new gold standard, I would expect that to be implemented via blockchain.
 
1. Yep I have an understanding of what a store of value is, As I said I prefer stores of value that also generate income, for example quality pieces of industrial real estate, on long 30 year leases.

2. Yep, as I said even digital currency can't take away risk with out the currency itself being worthless

3. gold backing a currency that you actually want to use as a national currency is a terrible idea, you need to be able to expand and contract the currency as the economy grows, and you don't want it open to speculation and cornering. You also want a little bit of inflation to avoid deflation and encourage people to make real investments rather than just hoarding currency.
 

Mail on the head.

And there are plenty of idiots to throw their money at something worth nothing.
 

HashFlare's Sergei Potapenko and Ivan Turogin charged over four-year cryptocurrency pyramid scheme

From the article:
Police in Estonia have arrested two men accused of a $US575 million ($870 million) cryptocurrency fraud, United States authorities confirm.
 
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My question would be how this collapse will impact on the mainstream financial systems ?

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Good evening basilio,
People that got burnt over this mess will be hurting for some time and there will be a follow-on effect. Ultimately the steam roller will keep moving forward. Anything in its way, well...

Kind regards
rcw1
 
On the wider investment front there is some heavy recalculation of value and risk as interest rates rise.
This analysis from Satyajit Das explores that issue.

 
This analysis looks at FTX's collapse against the history of similar swindles.

The ad that Larry David did for FTX ? Priceless..


 
From the company that was called National Cash Register and now called NCR Corporation. Crypto/stable coins are more than likely here to stay.

Embracing Crypto:
...and this:
Origins of Stablecoins. Stability instead of volatility
 
Kathy Wood of ARKK fund is sticking by her prediction of $1000000 Bitcoin by 2030.

This does not fill me with confidence.
 

Lotta videos out there on the whole FTX collapse. But this is a good interview from CNBC of Terry Duffy who is the guy that is in charge of the CME - which is actually a legitimate exchange. He was one of the very few who months and months ago called out Sam-Bankman Freid but no one listened to him. There are also clips of this guy testifying before congress and effectively being ridiculed by Silicon Valley politicians. He takes a lot of shots at swamp in this interview.

I'd move back to the US and vote for this go to be president any day. He has effectively accused (at least asked the question) congress and Washington regulators of being paid off by SBF.
 
Almudda, FTX, FTT
All about the cult in clean easy bites, no jargon, from a savvy young Australian. I still don't get it, don't care nither.

 
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