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Hi Everyone,
After much searching and bugging IB Support it seems I won't be able to trade USD from Australia.
It seems Aussies are not allowed a Margin account. My goal was to do basic trading on low price stocks with the 30k cash I saved. I read their requirements but didn't find the "no margin for international users" rule.
If you have any advice I would be very grateful such as another Broker (eTrade?). I'm also going to contact some American and Aussie friends for advice.
Cheers,
Mark
without knowing your requirements or objectives, have you considered CFDs?
Hi Everyone,
After much searching and bugging IB Support it seems I won't be able to trade USD from Australia.
It seems Aussies are not allowed a Margin account. My goal was to do basic trading on low price stocks with the 30k cash I saved. I read their requirements but didn't find the "no margin for international users" rule.
If you have any advice I would be very grateful such as another Broker (eTrade?). I'm also going to contact some American and Aussie friends for advice.
Cheers,
Mark
How do you transfer the Medibank shares to the IB account
It was so easy I just asked for them to transfer by message ticket giving them the company, issuer sponsor number and number of shares. They transferred the shares a day later. It might have been more difficult to transfer broker issued shares. I haven't tried doing that yet.
Thanks for the info. The problem i have is that the IB account is on single individual name whereas the Medibank shares are on joint name. Do you think will it be feasible to transfer or not.
When the heck are they going to fix this?
From memory when setting up account, you'll have to be on REG T Margin.
Then you can trade forex, etc. from your base currency on margin, but with so restrictions for Aussies.
Best you check with them to confirm.
Their website has been re-designed so can't find the link.
Quick search found this :
https://www.interactivebrokers.com/en/index.php?f=accountConfiguration&p=configuring
Check out "Account Types".
Please DYOR.
Thanks for the advice - went into account management - their system won't allow the transfer of a cash account to margin. Thanks anyway.
I went to the trouble of opening an account with IB only to find that as an Australian retail client it is next to useless for me
I recently set up a few new IB accounts.
My Trust account with corporate trustee is now on regular margin ( originally was reg-t margin), although i had to get on live chat for them to activate it. Also needs US$110K balance, whatever that worked out to be in Aus$$.
My personal accounts have no such option, just cash.
After much searching and bugging IB Support it seems I won't be able to trade USD from Australia.
Mark
Good morning
For some years now IB has not been allowed to offer Margin Accounts to individuals who are Australian residents.
What IB may not know is that these restrictions seem to have been lifted in Australia. As you will see below, major brokers in Australia are now offering Margin Accounts with no such margin restrictions for Australian residents.
Based on this, it would seem to be a contravention of the ACCC anti-competitive behaviour policy to allow this for local Brokers, but not allow IB to do the same when operating in the same country.
Could you please investigate and raise this with the authorities in Australia?
I (and several of my colleagues) are at the point now, where if there is no news soon, we will be forced to close our IB accounts and transfer to one of the brokers below just so we can obtain a margin account. This would be regrettable. Thank you.
Australian Brokers offering Margin Loans
This has been going on for too long. Today I decided to take a stand and encourage all IB Australian traders to write a similar letter to either Interactive Brokers using this email (auclients@interactivebrokers.com) or to ASIC here.
Keen to know the thoughts of fellow Aussie IB account holders who like me, are restricted to a Cash Account only which restricts liquidity - and of course trade parcel size.
My letter to Interactive Brokers
I went to the trouble of opening an account with IB only to find that as an Australian retail client it is next to useless for me - here's my exchange with the chat customer service rep -
Bob GH: How may I assist you?
ChatSys: This chat is associated with ticket #. Please record this number for use in future inquiries. You are currently in room 'Trade Problems'.
Bob GH: Hello, this is 'Bob GH'. How may I help you?
Bob GH: How may I assist you?
ChatSys: The communication channel has been successfully restored. You can continue communicating with the CSR.
me: Hello, I have an issue with the trading permissions. When I attempt to trade say eurusd, even if a very small trade of say 1000 units I get a message saying that I have insufficient funds in EUR to undertake the trade or similar
Bob GH: Since you have a cash account, you can only sell a currency you actually have balance in. In this case, you can only sell AUD
me: So how do I undertake a forex trade say eurusd?
Bob GH: You cannot do this in a cash account and since Australian residents are currently restricted from holding margin accounts, this would not be possible
me: what if the trade was audusd?
Bob GH: You can convert whatever your cash balance is, into another cash balance, but you cannot use leverage.
me: So there is no issue buying stocks on an overseas exchange then
Bob GH: No, as long as you have the currency to purchase the stock in the currency it is denominated in.
me: How do I do the conversion into the other currency in the case of stocks? Is this something that I do before I buy the stock?
Bob GH: You will have to bring up the quote the specific currency pair that you want to convert your currency into (Ex. AUD.USD). You will have to do this before you purchase the stock. Note that when you do a currency conversion, it takes 2 business days for the cash to settle, so you will not be able to purchase the stock until it settles
me: what is the point in having access to all of these overseas markets on an interactive program when I have to wait two days just to do a currency conversion, doesn't that sound ridiculous to you. I have an account with another broker and when I buy stock on the US exchange the currency changeover occurs instantaneously.
Bob GH: Unfortunately these are the current limitations for Australian account holders.
me: How long do you expect that these limitations will be in place?
Bob GH: This is a regulatory issues, so at this time we do not have a time line when we can offer margin accounts
me: With respect, its not just an issue about margin, its a matter of being able to do a currency changeover concurrently with the trade
Bob GH: Either way, you would still have to wait 2 business days for the cash to settle before you can use the funds. This is not an IB restriction this is a regulatory restriction for cash accounts.
me: In effect I have opened an account which enables me to trade Australian stocks and that's it - not even CFD's since I do not have access to margin. How do I close my account with IB? Absolutely pointless for me to have an account with IB, I wish it had been clearer on your website during the account opening process I have really wasted a lot of time on what is essentially useless for me. Sorry but quite annoyed about this
Bob GH: I apologize for the inconvenience. You can log into the Account Management menu, click on Manage Account > Settings > Close Account
me: Brokers like Saxo, IG, CMC and dozens of others offer instantaneous trading on exchanges around the world, even if as market makers and IB need two days just to change the money over....it's almost laughable, obviates the need for a whiz bang trading platform, might as well just have ticker tape and carrier pigeons - thanks for your help - no doubt it will take several days for my money to be refunded too.
ChatSys: This chat is being terminated by the Customer Service Rep.
Bob GH: Have a good night.
As you can see, the rep 'hung' up on me.
Anyway, food for thought if you are thinking of IB - very disappointing.
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