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Imminent and severe market correction

Oh! What a tangled web we weave(apology to the bard).


Now to the tactics, which stink to high heaven. Why, pray tell, is Lehman resorting to leaks and whispers rather than the proper procedure of public disclosure via a press release?


 
I don't normally study overseas charts too much, but I decided to test my EW skills to see if I could find why the the XAO didn't turn up as my indicaters initially suggested before going away just before close the other day.

... and I think I may have worked it out. :bananasmi

What I am thinking is the US finished a 5 leg up and had a little corrective wave A, B, C... which stretched out the XAO wave 4.

I reckon we've finally hit bottom for awhile again... and I have a theory why some other counts are wrong.

I know I'm a brilliant student... ... but can someone please mark my assignment.
 

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Aaah... just another accedemic, philosophing. :

As I've mentioned on the gold thread, the fundamental indicators coming out of the US are OK now and starting to come in more on the better side of forecasts.

Pardon? With the greatest of respect, what are you smoking?

Nouriel Roubini runs RgeMonitor, one of the most respected sources of independent economic commentary.

Residential property is still in free fall, with foreclosures running into the millions. There have been several small bank failures, and the ^BKX just fell through support at 75. Commercial property has just started to fall. Jobs are plummeting.

Lehman, Merrill Lynch, Morgan Stanley, MBIA, AMBAC all downgraded. Lehman desperately raising capital but unlikely to survive.

What you're seeing is a slow motion crash, courtesy of the Fed, instead of a quick crash and quick recovery. The banks are too big to let fail but all desperately need recapitalising, and the real question is who gets to carry the losses.
 
Pardon? With the greatest of respect, what are you smoking?

Nothin mate.

I'm just gettin high on life atm.


I don't doubt his economic credentials... but I'm not sure he is jelling the (covert) political influence into his short term analysis.

As I say the fundamental economic data is generally OK and improving a little better than forcasts.

Unemployment popped out tonight a bit as did the number of foreclosures recently. On the plus side earlier today wholesale trade was strongest in a few months and retail sales are improving. Suggests to me people may have wiped their hands of problem mortgages and getting on with normal living/spending.

Since the end of the 1st quarter was widely tipped to be the crunch time for mortages, I would expect the number of foreclosures to translade to the writing off of a lot of consumer debt if not later today then very soon.
 
I reckon we've finally hit bottom for awhile again... and I have a theory why some other counts are wrong.

Whiskers, I admire your optimism but the evidence is becoming even more compelling now -

The U.S. unemployment rate jumped by half a percentage point in May -- to 5.5%, the highest since October 2004 -- on

the biggest increase in seasonally adjusted unemployment in 33 years,

government data showed Friday.

We have just gone from an orderly increase to possibly the start of a parabolic surge. And these stats usually err on the good side. This is getting scary. Still time for you to come over to the "dark side"

And this is data from the real economy - derivitives will follow in a much more spectacular way, causing a global meltdown, BRIC's included (China will implode!).
 

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Time for a bit of a chuckle.


http://www.bigpicture.typepad.com
 

Well your timing on that call couldn't have been more unfortunate Whiskers. That said I actually agree with you that SOME of the economic data has been better than expectations. If people want specific data points look at the ISM's, however the employment component of those indexes has deteriorated which is a bad sign. This week's intial jobless claims number was encouraging yet it should be remembered that the survey week that number pertains to was a 4 day week which always presents problems for seasonal adjustments.

I think the US could be in for W shaped recession reminiscent of the early 1980's. There will be a blip in growth thanks to the rebate checks but what then? Where is the growth going to come from? Then we have oil which is wreaking havoc. The VIX is back up to 23.5. Sentiment could turn sharply here.
 
Corporate welfare and more corporate welfare to come ..........

Interesting that Former Fed voting member Lacker was saying yesterday that the Fed needs to take away their corporate welfare mechanisms (TAF's etc.). Could you imagine what would happen to Lehman Bros if the Fed took their backstop away? Can't see it happening, but the rhetoric is interesting.
 
I know I'm a brilliant student... ... but can someone please mark my assignment.

Whiskers waves 1,3 and 5 should be impulsive waves your wave 1 is not an impulsive wave so more likely to be corrective.
 
If Bear Sterns was the crash test dummy , we can easily imagine what would happen if Lehmans went belly up . I can't see it being allowed to happen though . It would definitely not be in their interest to allow Lehmans to stumble to close to the edge . Strong dollar twins ( Ben and Hank ) bellowing strength to the masses . Ben stating that the weak USD only affects Americans , what a wally of a statement ........ that must be why the US is now importing inflation , whilst USD denominated assets are deflating , bloomin' marvy for everyone else ....... yeah right .

I think they need to start rates moving to the upside , they know this , but won't go near it until they've got a new C.I.C. , they wouldn't dare yet , it would make the administration look bad . Not that this was ever a secret .

I'm with you Dhukka on the big W , but the claytons recession has to finish first . If Obahma takes the helm , it could be Obummer for some months after , not a good time to think of becoming a lobbyist . The only good thing , would be that the system could be flushed properly after a few good swallows of the metamucil ............
 
Interesting that Former Fed voting member Lacker was saying yesterday that the Fed needs to take away their corporate welfare mechanisms (TAF's etc.).

I wonder what the price on his head is?
 

http://hussmanfunds.com/wmc/wmc080602.htm
 
Whiskers waves 1,3 and 5 should be impulsive waves your wave 1 is not an impulsive wave so more likely to be corrective.

Thanks for the comments IFocus.

I reckon I had an impulse wave 1. I suspect you are referring to the point wayne made in the XAO thread about iv over lapping i.

Still working on the big picture and the proper hierarchy of codeing. I inadvertantly contradicted my own FA by using others assumptions that the Oct high was the end of the major wave 5 as my starting point.

I'm still confident my C (ticked) is a big C, but still checking.

Any other critique? Jump in y'all, cos I expect to confront others analysis... now that I've finally decided to get my teeth into EW.

PS: Damn, my 3 dissapeared, but you know where it was.
 

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No wonder the US market took a fright with 400 point drop on DJIA Friday. BKX (Banking Index) has just broken very important support level at 70, which was last seen in Mar 2003 (the start of the last bull run and the end of last bear market).
BKX is the most important index as it flags the upcoming financial health or difficulty in the market.
Looking at this chart is quite telling, for the last five years, profits earnings from Financials/Banks were just puff of smoke, nothing more than just a mirage.
http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=%5EBKX#chart1:symbol=^bkx;range=19930225,20080606;indicator=volume;charttype=candlestick;crosshair=on;ohlcvalues=0;logscale=off;source=undefined
 


http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/
 
I don't normally study overseas charts too much, but I decided to test my EW skills :

What I am thinking is the US finished a 5 leg up and had a little corrective wave A, B, C...

I reckon we've finally hit bottom for awhile again..

You may well be correct at this time, but if we follow the U.S. market leads then according to SOME we will be in for further trouble.


The US Stock Market probably still has another Major leg to the downside. There might be some backing and filling to the upside, but I believe the Stock Market is in trouble.

http://www.safehaven.com/article-10466.htm

http://www.safehaven.com/article-10463.htm
 
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