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I'm all at sea


George Magnus at UBS in the London Times today(19/08) predicts that the recovery on Friday may stabilise for a week or two.......it is almost fair to say that the Fed is powerless to arrest the trend of the deleveraging of the markets.This will spawn a long tail of problems and casualties.The fall could be 20%-30% in the equities market.
Albert Edwards of Dresdner Kleinwort estimates there is a 40% chance of a recession in the U.S.
Citigroup analyst Keith Horowitz says-the credit crunch could cost JPMorgan Chase about $1.4b.of second half profit because of loans it cannot sell.
Horowitz claims that JPMorgan is stuck with $40.8b.of LBO debt while GoldmanSachs is holding $31.9b.
JPMorgan declined to comment on the report published on July 26.The situation is likely to have worsened since the report was put out.
 
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Do I have to join up to read that link? Could you give us a rundown?

Oliver has been around for a while. His longevity in the industry is proof that being wrong doesn't hamper your career.

I must have cached login creditials, I thought it was publicly accessible. He's got little about himself in his profile. It was the job title that got me:

* Head of Investors and Chief Economist at AMP Capital Investors

I bet he attracts quite an audience at dinner parties.
 
Could some of the posters here please critique the article by Dr. Oliver instead of just calling him a muppet.

He has an enormous vested interest in having investors keep their money in the market. Investors always look to words of wisdom and specific indications about what will happen next from authorities like Doc Ollie. The facts stand that he has as little clue about what is going to happen next as the rest of us...that he has the guts to put his forecasts in the public domain with numbers and dates is admirable, for the courage it takes if nothing else. Notwithstanding, forecasting is Muppet territory.
 

Thanks for taking the time to reply asxg,

By that definition a few of the doomsayers here might be similarly categorized then.

I agree that he has a vested interest and was bound to come down on the positive side but he does make some valid points about the similarities and differences to the scenario in '98 in my opinion. Whether he gives the risks appropriate weight or not would appear to be the debateable but at least this is an easily understood potted summary of the current situation without the hysteria that some 'authorities' both amateur and professional are prone too ATM.
 
I think that's right, but we don't always call it that. The Reserve Bank's charter is to keep the rate of inflation (i.e. the rate at which the economy is growing) within a range - lower than the range is just as much a problem as higher than the range. If the rate of growth is too low, the Reserve cuts interest rates so that money costs less and more can be spent. The effect is to fuel inflation, but it's not generally called that until inflation gets near the Reserve's upper limit. Till then it's encouraging growth.

Somebody please correct me if I'm wrong. I'm finding lots of unknown unknowns at the moment

Ghoti
 

I think one of the biggest problems I have with this article is the idea that stocks are not expensive based on historical comparisons of forward P/E's. It has been a generally accepted practice to use forward P/E's - that is earnings one year out in determining relative market values since the 1980's.

The BIG PICTURE has a post today with a graphic from the Wall Street Journal showing that the P/E of the S&P500 has not reached the levels of 1987 or 1998.

However as this article demonstrates the notion that stocks are reasonably priced based on forward P/E's is grounded on floored assumptions: Below is the guts of the conclusion:


Hussman puts out a note each week which is always interesting reading
 
Well said that man!
 
Great article dhukka, id actually read the same one some where recently, its a good heads up.


Seems everythings leveraged now a days hey, P/E multiples included
 
Check short treasury yields:

It was the biggest decline in Treasury Bill yield since World War II (there is no charts of that period). It’s 65 year record that we saw today

 
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