Hydrogen Power (Overwhelming)

[JenBullish]

With hydrogen power in its infancy, I am excited to hear about the government backing 3 new hydrogen projects. The total funding for these projects is $103 million. With this fresh monetary injection into this industry, I just had a few questions for the community. Which of these companies has you most excited about their technology and future? Do you expect significant results from these projects? Which of these do you have on your watchlist or ‘like’ the most? I am trying to expand my watch list and want some ideas.

 

[qldfrog]

without having any detail: government choosing winners is a given recipe for ultimate failure but a lot of taxdollars to suck I agree

 

[tech/a]

The first I heard about Hydrogen it was to be used as a power source for vehicles
Evidently Japan Car manufacturers had already implemented production and a network
of hydrogen pumps were already through Japan and I thought the USA. But there is Much
Much more to this Renewable carbon free energy source.

That was exciting--then along came Tesla.

I agree THIS IS THE FUTURE.

 

[Dona Ferentes]

The three grants , to be announced by Energy Minister Angus Taylor and the Australian Renewable Energy Agency on Wednesday, were awarded to two projects in Western Australia (Engie Renewables Australia and ATCO Australia) and one in Victoria (Australian Gas Networks Limited). All are subsidiaries of foreign owned companies.

French owned Engie’s project ($42.5 million grant) will see renewable hydrogen used to produce ammonia for export in the Pilbara, while Canadian ATCO ($28.7 million grant) and AGN is part of Cheung Kong Group listed in Hong Kong; its project ($28.7 million) and ATCO will use renewable energy to produce hydrogen for gas blending into the existing natural gas pipelines.

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BHP had sought support for a project within its Nickel West division, while Woodside sought funding to back its H2TAS renewable hydrogen venture with Countrywide Renewable Energy, planned for Tasmania’s Bell Bay. Macquarie Corporate Holdings also missed out, as did engineering provider APT Management Solutions.

 

[Sean K]

The three grants , .... All are subsidiaries of foreign owned companies.

How dumb are we?

 

[rederob]

The first I heard about Hydrogen it was to be used as a power source for vehicles
Evidently Japan Car manufacturers had already implemented production and a network
of hydrogen pumps were already through Japan and I thought the USA. But there is Much
Much more to this Renewable carbon free energy source.

That was exciting--then along came Tesla.

I agree THIS IS THE FUTURE.

There is a growing place for both in the coming decade, so companies see a chart like this and...
Andrew Forrest has twigged.

 

[Smurf1976]

Origin Energy is another company, an ASX listed one, that has proposals in the hydrogen area.

They're investigating development opportunities at Townsville in Queensland and at Bell Bay in Tasmania with a view to establishing production for export and on a lesser scale possible local uses from one or both locations.

 

[Knobby22]

I heard about the Victorian one.
Japanese backing. I believe it will produce very low cost Hydrogen.
CO2, a by-product will be put into old oil wells and as it will be we pure, sold into industry.
They are designing a pilot plant.

I would hope and since it is an Australian asset and using taxpayers money that they would float a company on the ASX to get some local ownership and funds when they build the major plant.

The Greens will probably try to stop it, even though it is carbon neutral as they would disagree with storing carbon underground and having a public company too early would therefore end up negatively effecting the project.

 

[qldfrog]

I see no future for hydrogen as individual vehicle power source due to inherent low(er) energy and the fact you could reuse existing ICE if you wanted to..BUT
it is great way to store solar power for the night, even export solar energy or better, use solar h2 and atmosphere CO2 to create synthetic fuel and get your unleaded 91 at the pump as usual carbon free.
Sadly this is not what the Reset want so will not happen, nor will atmosphere co2 capture BTW;
which is scientifically doable /done but got a paltry 68m USD subsidy worldwide so far whereas even cow fart studies got more...
maybe atmospheric co2 is not such a priority?And I am not going to complain

 

[mullokintyre]

From Eureka Alert

For decades, researchers around the world have searched for ways to use solar power to generate the key reaction for producing hydrogen as a clean energy source -- splitting water molecules to form hydrogen and oxygen. However, such efforts have mostly failed because doing it well was too costly, and trying to do it at a low cost led to poor performance.

Now, researchers from The University of Texas at Austin have found a low-cost way to solve one half of the equation, using sunlight to efficiently split off oxygen molecules from water. The finding, published recently in Nature Communications, represents a step forward toward greater adoption of hydrogen as a key part of our energy infrastructure.

The key to this breakthrough came through a method of creating electrically conductive paths through a thick silicon dioxide layer that can be performed at low cost and scaled to high manufacturing volumes. To get there, Yu and his team used a technique first deployed in the manufacturing of semiconductor electronic chips. By coating the silicon dioxide layer with a thin film of aluminum and then heating the entire structure, arrays of nanoscale "spikes" of aluminum that completely bridge the silicon dioxide layer are formed. These can then easily be replaced by nickel or other materials that help catalyze the water-splitting reactions.

When illuminated by sunlight, the devices can efficiently oxidize water to form oxygen molecules while also generating hydrogen at a separate electrode and exhibit outstanding stability under extended operation. Because the techniques employed to create these devices are commonly used in manufacturing of semiconductor electronics, they should be easy to scale for mass production.

The team has filed a provisional patent application to commercialize the technology.

Improving the way hydrogen is generated is key to its emergence as a viable fuel source. Most hydrogen production today occurs through heating steam and methane,

As early as the 1970s, researchers were investigating the possibility of using solar energy to generate hydrogen. But the inability to find materials with the combination of properties needed for a device that can perform the key chemical reactions efficiently has kept it from becoming a mainstream method .

The production of hydrogen using Solar Power could be a most important addition to the energy balance. One of the inherent problems with Solar and Wind poweer production is the lack of reliability of both. There are days when the wind doesn't blow and the sun doesn't shine, and then there are days when wind and Solar combined produce far more electricity than the network needs. On those days where ther is excess power, it would be ideal for low cost hydrogen production. It will be technological developments like this rather than fools in government making mandatory renewable targets, carbon pricing or green certificates.
Mick

 

[qldfrog]

Instead of contaminating the EV or energy thread, found this article and post it here.
Did you know you can drill for H2..and can do it in Australia

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So not green or brown H2, but pure natural H2...

 

[qldfrog]

Scientists Discover New Way Of Producing Hydrogen From Water At Room Temperature: Report - PanamaTimes

Scientists from University of California have discovered a novel method of producing hydrogen gas from water at room temperature.

panatimes.com

Of high 8ntetest so energy cost would be the anode cleaning for reuse.we need more figures energy balance e5c but could be really great
@SirRumpole this is for you: i can be positive...but not on lithium ev .

 

[SirRumpole]

Scientists Discover New Way Of Producing Hydrogen From Water At Room Temperature: Report - PanamaTimes

Scientists from University of California have discovered a novel method of producing hydrogen gas from water at room temperature.

panatimes.com

Of high 8ntetest so energy cost would be the anode cleaning for reuse.we need more figures energy balance e5c but could be really great
@SirRumpole this is for you: i can be positive...but not on lithium ev .

I ask myself "what's the catch" ? It seems too good to be true, but if it is true, then we had better ramp up our aluminium refineries.

 

[qldfrog]

I ask myself "what's the catch" ? It seems too good to be true, but if it is true, then we had better ramp up our aluminium refineries.

Same here.there is nothing free in physics.water is the lower energy/mire stable if we break it up, rnergy must come from somewhere aka the anode alteration.
At best we get as much energy from h2 burning as we need to restore anode plus losses..BUT it might be better than electrolysis energy cost.
So no free meal but cheaper lunch anyway

 

[SirRumpole]

Japan and South Korea are thirsty for Australian hydrogen.

Korea's demand for Australian hydrogen has never been higher. Is it the start of a new mining boom?

As South Korea edges closer to being solely powered by renewables come 2050, the manufacturing industries of Australia's third-largest trading partner believe hydrogen gas is the answer to help reach its target.

www.abc.net.au

 

[UMike]

Japan and South Korea are thirsty for Australian hydrogen.

Korea's demand for Australian hydrogen has never been higher. Is it the start of a new mining boom?

As South Korea edges closer to being solely powered by renewables come 2050, the manufacturing industries of Australia's third-largest trading partner believe hydrogen gas is the answer to help reach its target.

www.abc.net.au

Seems more like hype and spin from your ABC.
Pitching for that 260 billion magic wand to wave.

 

[SirRumpole]

Seems more like hype and spin from your ABC.
Pitching for that 260 billion magic wand to wave.

Maybe. A lot of grand plans come to nothing, we will see.

 

[qldfrog]

Maybe. A lot of grand plans come to nothing, we will see.

The problem with politicians and brain washed population is that the current scientific knowledge is so low that they can not even understand things like density, leak abilities looking at H2 vs CH4 or even better the myriads of cyclic chains present in their car gas tanks..so have no clue how bad hydrogen is compared to the carbon based fuels...
And so the narrative goes on, and tax funded H2 pipe dream..either as incentives, or with competition limiting regulations, ensures we have economies sub-par and doomed on an international context.....
Long life China and India superpowers..