How long will the new minority Government last?

Julia · 27 April 2011

drsmith said:
I'm curious to know why there wasn't a Newspoll published last week.

I don't think they necessarily come out weekly do they? Might be wrong.

drsmith · 27 April 2011

I thought they were fortnightly and on that basis would have expected one last week. All I saw then was a Newspoll poll on best leader.

I just want to see how fast the good ship ALP is sinking.

sails · 27 April 2011

Happy said:
If popularity or lack of could force new elections, then yes it would be over already, but we are dealing with real people who will do anything to cling to power.

They have power until next election, why change anything?

Possibly Labor machinery will swap her for some other first?

Maybe somebody with different sexual preferences, or different race, maybe different religion?

Does anyone know about Recall Elections? The best I could find by googling is this PDF which is about NSW: http://www.parliament.nsw.gov.au/pr...lElections/$File/Recall+Elections+E+Brief.pdf

Here's the first paragraph:

In other jurisdictions Recall is a term used to describe a process whereby the electorate can petition to trigger a vote on the suitability of an existing elected representative to continue in office. In those jurisdictions where it operates, Recall is seen as an important, directly democratic, tool for the electorate to remove from office those elected.

Does anyone know if this provision exists federally?

Would be good if all faulty products could be recalled - politicians included.. Seems sad that we have to be inflicted with lies, debacle after debacle and the forced imposition of a highly controversial tax - and yet we seem powerless to do anything about it.

Happy · 27 April 2011

sails said:
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Would be good if all faulty products could be recalled - politicians included.. Seems sad that we have to be inflicted with lies, debacle after debacle and the forced imposition of a highly controversial tax - and yet we seem powerless to do anything about it.

Thought about method of matching promises with actions and having at least court to decide if jail for deception or stripping of generous Retirement Package for PM should apply.
(consisting of: Lifetime Gold Medicare card, indexed generous pension, secretary or two for life, gold pass air travel, government car with driver plus more and more)

noco · 27 April 2011

Cory Bernadi has outlined a great comparison of our enept Labor Government to the Roman Empire.

I thought this to be very fitting.

http://www.corybernardi.com/2011/04...ion-posted-6a00e5520b72ea8834015431f92e6a970c

ghotib · 27 April 2011

noco said:
Cory Bernadi has outlined a great comparison of our enept Labor Government to the Roman Empire.

I thought this to be very fitting.

http://www.corybernardi.com/2011/04...ion-posted-6a00e5520b72ea8834015431f92e6a970c

Really? Bernadi misunderstands the original use of the phrase "bread and circuses" and makes a schoolboy howler in his reference to the Greeks. He very possibly thinks "enept" is an English word too. If this bignoting ignoramus is supposed to be an effective critic the government is safer than it deserves to be.

Ghoti

IFocus · 27 April 2011

ghotib said:
Really? Bernadi misunderstands the original use of the phrase "bread and circuses" and makes a schoolboy howler in his reference to the Greeks. He very possibly thinks "enept" is an English word too. If this bignoting ignoramus is supposed to be an effective critic the government is safer than it deserves to be.

Ghoti

And there is the is a great summary Ghoti, Labor are stumbling from one political fiasco to another and yet no sacked ministers?

Effective opposition ppifff

drsmith · 27 April 2011

They sacked a sitting PM.

The way things are going, it may not be too long before the opposition have Julia Gillard's scalp to add as a trophy piece next to Kevin Rudd's.

noco · 27 April 2011

IFocus said:
And there is the is a great summary Ghoti, Labor are stumbling from one political fiasco to another and yet no sacked ministers?

Effective opposition ppifff

Rudd and Gillard did not have the fortitude to sack a Minister because those Ministers who supposedly goofed there potfolios were under instruction from those two idiots to do what they were told to do. They dare not step out of line with Labor Party protocol. If they did, they would be outcasts. Should Chris Bowen be sacked for the debacle with asylum seekers? No, because whose fault is it? Well, you whistle and I'll point.

Yes, and ex Prime Minister Rudd did get the sack and why, because according to Gillard he lost his way. Poor Julia, she does not know whether to go North, South, East or West.

Julia · 27 April 2011

IFocus said:
And there is the is a great summary Ghoti, Labor are stumbling from one political fiasco to another and yet no sacked ministers?

For them to sack any minister would simply underline the failure in that portfolio.

They are, rather, hoping much of the electorate will be too busy worrying about their rising cost of living, the potential impost of a carbon tax etc, to focus too intently on individual failures.
Indeed, the failures are so many, actually pretty much everything they touch, that the electorate may even be becoming inured.

Effective opposition ppifff

What does the opposition have to do with the government sacking its own ministers?
Imo the opposition is being very effective at present. You can't expect them to take responsibility for actually sacking the many incompetents that constitute the Gillard government. Be a bit realistic.

sails · 28 April 2011

drsmith said:
I'm curious to know why there wasn't a Newspoll published last week.

Not a newspoll drsmith, but interesting report from Essential Media research:

http://www.essentialmedia.com.au/essential-report/

If you scroll down the page, it gives the attributes of all three parties. Interesting that only about one in four people polled believes Labor is clear about what it stands for and only one in five believes Labor keeps promises...lol. We are not alone...

Lots of other interesting data on that site with latest poll dated yesterday 27th April. Gives a clear picture that Labor are losing ground, IMO.

When will Ms Gillard get it that she only leads a minority government and is not the time to lie to the people and bring in major, controversial taxes and "reforms".

Usually those major events are done with a majority win giving a clear mandate from the people on said reforms. This so bizarre it would make a good movie if it weren't true. And even more sickening because it is our country with which they play russian roulette.

So_Cynical · 25 November 2011

So_Cynical said:
(25th-April-2011) We have passed the 6 months mark so 9 voters (20.45%) got it wrong, in fact the government is looking quite strong in my opinion, the alliance holding firm, hasn't really even been tested yet...the Govt would be an odds on bet to stay in power passed the 1 year mark i would reckon.

A little more than a year on from starting this thread and its now clear that the majority of poll voters got it wrong, in fact 53.71% got it wrong.

Interesting that quite a few prominent members of the ASF right didn't actually make public their predictions...not that that's dishonest or weak in any way.
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drsmith · 25 November 2011

So_Cynical said:
A little more than a year on from starting this thread and its now clear that the majority of poll voters got it wrong, in fact 53.71% got it wrong.

They ain't there yet.

Even if they do get there, they better enjoy it while it lasts because when the people get their say, Labor will be slaughtered.

That much is certain.

So_Cynical · 25 November 2011

drsmith said:
They ain't there yet.

Even if they do get there, they better enjoy it while it lasts because when the people get their say, Labor will be slaughtered.

That much is certain.

What...they are past the 1 year mark, past the 1st change over in the senate...plain sailing, but not for the disgruntled and Whinny.

drsmith · 25 November 2011

As I said, enjoy it while it lasts, because, for those devoted to the Labor cause, the time in political exile will be long and painful.

sails · 25 November 2011

drsmith said:
As I said, enjoy it while it lasts, because, for those devoted to the Labor cause, the time in political exile will be long and painful.

Yes, I agree. I would think some people voted out of hope...

At the very worst, this government's term expires on 27th September, 2013. I thought it was from election date, but it is apparently timed from the time parliament first sits.

http://blogs.abc.net.au/antonygreen/2011/11/future-election-dates.html

nulla nulla · 26 November 2011

14 Months into a full term (subject to the outcome of any bi-election in a closely held labor seat), the labor/green/independent government is pushing through the legislation.

And now they have an increased majority because of ructions in the Liberal/National coalition turning on one of their own.

All the rumour mongering about the ructions in the ranks and the resurgence of Rudd are just that, rumours. All the liberal spin doctors and push polling in the world is not going to make one iota of difference for the remaining 22 months.

It would be interesting to see the outcome of a bi-election in a closely held liberal/national party coalition seat. IMO that would give a better indicator of the swing against labor than the "independent" media polls.

Logique · 26 November 2011

ghotib said:
Really? Bernadi misunderstands the original use of the phrase "bread and circuses" and makes a schoolboy howler in his reference to the Greeks. He very possibly thinks "enept" is an English word too. If this bignoting ignoramus is supposed to be an effective critic the government is safer than it deserves to be.
Ghoti

Are you sure about that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bread_and_circuses
"'Bread and Circuses' (or bread and games) (from Latin: panem et circenses) is a metaphor for a superficial means of appeasement. In the case of politics, the phrase is used to describe the creation of public approval, not through exemplary or excellent public service or public policy, but through diversion, distraction, and/or the mere satisfaction of the immediate, shallow requirements of a populace."

- Yes its moved on from panem et circenses, but Sen Bernardi writes in year 2011.

http://www.corybernardi.com/2011/04...ion-posted-6a00e5520b72ea8834015431f92e6a970c
"Just as the Greeks left the Parthenon, the Romans the Colosseum and the Egyptians the Pyramids, the Gillard Government has spent scarce resources on monuments of their own."

- It's a metaphor. Again, Sen Bernardi is writing in year 2011.

http://www.corybernardi.com/2011/04...ion-posted-6a00e5520b72ea8834015431f92e6a970c
"Cory Bernardi is a Senator for South Australia. Before entering parliament he was a member of the Australian Rowing Team, a publican, an investment portfolio manager and a venture capital entrepreneur.

Cory is the author of four books and has presented and spoken in five continents on politics, leadership, motivation, business and investment.

He recently founded the Conservative Leadership Foundation – a not-for-profit educational, research and training organisation dedicated to developing Australia’s future leaders."

- His CV doesn't scream 'ignoramus' to me. Politically 'impure' perhaps?

How long will the new minority Government last?