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Riddle me this.
If you had invested $400K in 2002 and it returned $425K in 2009 would you think this is a good investment?
Hint, if inflation was running at 3% you would need $480K
This would seem quite realistic, given the median is around $570K in Syndey this would mean a approx 45% increase or 4% p.a growth. Just 1% above inflation - heard that somewhere before.
Answer to riddle.
That was the result if investing in the Sydney property market over the last 6 years according to ABS weighted average figures for Sydney.
Disclaimer : calculation based on a nice bottle of Cab Sav from W.A
Note : past prices are not a forecast of prices in the future
That's true and something I have been pointing out here for nearly 18 months! All the house price growth (and all the angst!) in Australia has come from all other cities except Sydney. That is actually why I reckon that:
a) Sydney real estate in NOT in a bubble; it is poised for the next stage of growth, which will however be more moderate than the last stage (1996-2003; due to the one off factors that drove it then). I reckon in 10 years the Sydney median house price will be around $750k-$800k, assuming inflation/CPI remains at ~3% average levels through this period, and average full time wages will probably be ~$100k pa. If inflation breaks out, then things could look very different indeed and prices today will seem ridiculously cheap when we look back!
b) Prices in other cities are either in a bubble, OR they have gone up for the same reasons Sydney prices went up 5-10 years earlier, and the fundamentals behind that may be permanent? I suspect the Melbourne and Brisbane price rises might be more permanent than say the Perth or Darwin ones. The last 5 years in Sydney might give you a pretty good indication what these other markets might look like over the next 5 years.
PS: You have highlighted well the problem with labels like "permabulls" and "permabears". Why should they/we read from the same script? I have my own independent views thanks and will read from my OWN script! As I am sure will Kincella, and yourself UF!
Cheers,
Beej
Yep - but add 4%-5% rental return to your sums - either as rent actually received or as rent not having to be paid (even better as that's after tax dollars), and things look pretty good really even in this scenario
Cheers,
Beej
Look what are all you nancies waiting for. Just hop right in and buy buy buy ok. There's never a better opportunity to buy ok.
Are you saying you calculate (increase) your return by adding in a 'rent not having to be paid' factor? Where do you subtract interest payments & purchase costs?
So are you permanently bullish on property?
So you NET gain from property = 4.5% (net yield) - 3.6% (net interest/costs) + INFLATION on capital, + 1% = 2.25% of total property value.
Doesn't sound like much, but remember that's with only 10% of the total value put in by you! If the place is worth say $300k, that's $6750 pa profit, or 22.5% return on your capital actually invested. That profit increases every year as the value of the property increases (even just with inflation) due to interest only being paid on 90% of the initial purchase capital.
Sunsine and lollipops boys, just smile and wave !
""This week we saw three key data releases that all suggested the Australian residential property market should continue to provide modest improvements over the coming months. Housing finance commitments again trended up, with the value of housing loans taken out in June at their highest level since June 2007. Investor activity is also ramping up, with investors now comprising one quarter of housing finance commitments. Both business confidence and consumer confidence also continued to rise with both indicators now above the all important 100 point mark where optimists outweigh pessimists. Consumer confidence is now at its highest level in two years. Business confidence hasn’t been this high for almost two years."
Lifted gratuitously with forethought and malice from RP DATA.
But wait .. there is more from the rainbows and silver lining bureau
On a national basis over the 12 months to May 2009 the average hold period for houses was 7.5 years and the average hold period for units was 6.6 years.
What this essentially means for houses is that 7.5 years ago the median value was recorded at $265,557 and in May this year the median house value was $495,700. Based on this, the average value of those houses sold last year has increased by $230,143 since purchased, at a rate of 8.7% annually.
For units the national hold period is 6.6 years and based on a median value 6.6 years ago of $279,785 and a current median of $406,587, the average unit vendor during the last year has seen the value of their property increase by a total of $126,802 since they first purchased or by 5.8% annually.
Go you good thing ! Ride 'em cowboy !!
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