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Erm ... dunno about that, I see all the 60/70/80s houses that arnt falling down being teared down ....
What do you propose is going to happen to these new homes in 20 years time ? Brick work turns to dust or something ? Nothing wrong with the quality of build now a days, spend an extra few k and get a steel frame to boot.
From 1991 to 2007, the real cost of constructing a typical house (in 2007 dollars) rose slightly, from $192k to $211k. Hardly a 10% movement. Compare that to the movement in median prices. Developers have seen their potential profits soar with only a slight increase in costs, and margins will remain healthy after the slump (provided they aren't recklessly geared). The outlook for speculators/flippers doesn't look as rosy though.
From http://www.library.unsw.edu.au/~the...ved/adt-NUN20071210.120652/public/02whole.pdf
lol you crack me up
im a builder/developer in WA
i dont know about the rest of the country but im getting friggen price hikes in everything it feels like on a weekly basis. Land prices are way way overvalued and its taking a lot longer to find profitable land.
50 Victorians a week have homes taken
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,23248714-661,00.html
Unregulated mortgage brokers, who are paid for every loan they organise even if the borrower defaults, organised loans for more than half of the evicted homeowners.
Mortgage industry analyst Denis Orrick said lenders were evicting borrowers faster than ever, especially in new housing estates.
"The lenders don't want to be last in the suburb to sell," Mr Orrick said.
A quote from the article for those who think Australia doesnt have its own version of Subprime.
Tell me about it! I'm also a developer over here on the East Side, and my latest acquisition is a 700m2 block in the heart of Mona Vale on Sydney's Northern Beaches. I paid $690K for it with an old house on it in Sep 2006 during all the doom and gloom. It was originally listed for $770K but I talked it down. I've just secured DA approval for three units with excavated basement parking for seven vehicles. Average internal floor space is 140m2. 3 or 4 double bedrooms with 2.5 baths each.lol you crack me up
im a builder/developer in WA
i dont know about the rest of the country but im getting friggen price hikes in everything it feels like on a weekly basis. Land prices are way way overvalued and its taking a lot longer to find profitable land.
My only question now is when to start. Cost of capital is through the roof and the interest on $1.8M land and construction costs during the 12 month build period will be a big part of that total $2M cost figure quoted
A case of 'All theory, no experience' perhaps?lol you crack me up
im a builder/developer in WA
i dont know about the rest of the country but im getting friggen price hikes in everything it feels like on a weekly basis. Land prices are way way overvalued and its taking a lot longer to find profitable land.
Hey well said! I'm of the same line of thinking, but keep getting drawn back into posting, must be something that's feeding my ego with that sort of compulsive behaviour.Ive come to realise that posting on these sort of threads is a waste of keyboard strokes.
People will defend their view with whatever they can find.
Both for the positive and negative view of the topic.
If your happy doing what your doing just continue to do it.
If your not involved in it I fail to see how hypothesis or theory/Quoting articles can be of benifit to you or anyone else.
Like asking your heart surgoen how many surgeries he's performed and how he handles things when they go off the rails.
His reply would be based on many of the comments here.
"Well Ive read many news articles on the topic and watched RPA,but dont really want to get involved as I might stuff up"
If your involved in property and you make it a business no matter how small,you'll become good at it and do better than you could dream of.
If you dont then you'll also do very well at doing nothing.
"Progress comes from the intelligent use of experience."
Thats experience NOT theory.
From The Times
February 21, 2008
UK housing market close to collapse, analyst says
Robin Pagnamenta
Britain’s housing market is a “house of cards” that is set to implode after years of reckless mortgage lending, chronic oversupply of new flats and widespread fraud, a leading analyst said yesterday.
“We believe it is payback time for years of speculation and sharp practice,” Alastair Stewart, of Dresdner Kleinwort Wasserstein, said in a note to clients issued at the start of British housebuilders’ results season.
The warning came amid rising fears of endemic fraud in the housing market. The Financial Services Authority (FSA) said yesterday that it had banned a further two mortgage brokers for submitting false applications to lenders, in what appears to be a growing trend.
The action – against two partners in a mortgage broking firm in Ilford, Essex – came after a speech last week by Philip Robinson, director of the FSA’s financial crime unit, in which he urged the housing industry to tackle the problem. He said dozens of lenders had contacted the FSA with 200 allegations of mortgage fraud and more were coming in every week.
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The bans were against Amjad Malik and Tahir Mahmood, of Abbaci Associates. They were charged with submitting, on behalf of clients, applications that contained false information relating to the clients’ incomes and jobs.
Apart from such individual cases of mortgage fraud, Mr Robinson said there was a far greater threat of organised rings attempting property fraud.
Mr Stewart, in his research note, advised shareholders in housebuilding companies to “take advantage of the recent bounce [in share prices] and head for the exit”. He said that housebuilders’ results would show the market was “hitting a wall” as forward orders for new homes collapsed.
Mr Stewart said there was a bubble in the market for new urban flats, which looked “in line for a full-scale crash”. He said: “Overbuilding, overlending and more than a whiff of fraud have in our view led to ‘mini-Floridas’ n cities from Leeds to Leicester.”
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