wayneL
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I occasionally run a dividend yield scan via https://www.marketindex.com.au/highest-dividend-yield
There are a few ETFs there that have quite impressive yields... Clealry the charts not those that you will trade on momentum.
...but as we are approaching the widow's, orphans, and old farts category, I thought those more FA adept than me my offer some opinions?
See link for those.
not sure how useful this is, as they don't appear to be stripping out the likes of special divs and one off capital returns. if one is to make something of this list, one probably has to delve a bit deeper into the entries of interest and investigate what the situation is with them.
eg. there's no way IHVV should be yielding 20%, it's basically a currency hedged version of Blackrock's S&P 500 index ETF, the yield on the S&P 500 is barely above 1%. i don't own IHVV (only the unhedged IVV) so i don't know the reason behind it, but there was a massive $92 distribution this year (on a $460 ETF). it has to have been some sort of capital return.
I'm of the thinking that anything that seems to be good too good to be true, probably is, hence my query here.... Especially with regards to ETFs.
But then there are the others in that list.
I'm definitely going to have to cut down my trolling on Twitter so I've got more time to research this sort of stuff. LMAOHere you go, $6.83 distribution on the 30th of june:
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And then as you can see, it sold off by almost exactly that amount on 1 july (not the exact amount as there's a day's worth of trading movement to be factored in) as that equity obviously no longer existed in the fund:
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So yeah, just think of it as a fund's capital gain being cashed out to you and that cashout being called a "yield", because that's literally exactly what it is. It's no different to you selling the shares off yourself and pocketing the cash but the fund instead decides when and how much it's going to do it for you.
Just remember that unless you provide them with your tax file number, the tax gets withheld and then you claim it back vs you declaring the whole income and then paying taxes on it. I got quite the fright when I wondered where the rest of my distribution was after forgetting this.
They might also have distribution reinvestment plans just like dividend reinvestment plans but that's obviously at the fund's discretion. Remember that you have to opt-in to these too just like with a DRIP.
SUL was the surprise appearance for me ( i hold SUL )I occasionally run a dividend yield scan via https://www.marketindex.com.au/highest-dividend-yield
There are a few ETFs there that have quite impressive yields... Clealry the charts not those that you will trade on momentum.
...but as we are approaching the widow's, orphans, and old farts category, I thought those more FA adept than me my offer some opinions?
See link for those.
Each etf is different but they often do cash return of equity to holders twice a year just like a dividend payment, but remember that a return of equity is not a dividend so isn't taxed in the same way.
I'm definitely going to have to cut down my trolling on Twitter so I've got more time to research this sort of stuff. LMAO
It is a spiritual calling, Sean.You troll on twatter? I find that hard to believe.
eg. there's no way IHVV should be yielding 20%, it's basically a currency hedged version of Blackrock's S&P 500 index ETF, the yield on the S&P 500 is barely above 1%. i don't own IHVV (only the unhedged IVV) so i don't know the reason behind it, but there was a massive $92 distribution this year (on a $460 ETF). it has to have been some sort of capital return.
so then , what are the chances most of the gain is currency exchange rates ??not sure how useful this is, as they don't appear to be stripping out the likes of special divs and one off capital returns. if one is to make something of this list, one probably has to delve a bit deeper into the entries of interest and investigate what the situation is with them.
eg. there's no way IHVV should be yielding 20%, it's basically a currency hedged version of Blackrock's S&P 500 index ETF, the yield on the S&P 500 is barely above 1%. i don't own IHVV (only the unhedged IVV) so i don't know the reason behind it, but there was a massive $92 distribution this year (on a $460 ETF). it has to have been some sort of capital return.
Jezzuz... I'm off to have a drink and I will be back to re-read that.well, a deep dive into this document (the 2021 Financial Report), and also a refresher of what happened during this 12 month period, will indeed show that the very high yield for IHVV is justified.
Please remember, too, that in Australia, these ETFs have similar features to trusts as far as Australian tax laws go, i.e. any gains during the year must be distributed to unit holders, and will be declared in the unit holders' tax returns.
The 12 months to June 2021 was probably one of the best 12 months to be invested in the share market. The US S&P 500 index, the index upon which IHVV is based, went from 3100 to 4288 during the period in question, a rise of 38%. This would account for the large gains recorded through IHVV's P&L.
@Belli posted a document a couple of posts ago, that document is an extract showing how the distribution is applied for Australian tax purposes. 76% of the distribution is classed as foreign income, most likely as a result of the frequent trading of stocks caused by the need to rebalance to the S&P 500 on a daily basis, as these type of ETFs do.
That 12 months was pretty wild, especially in the 2020 six month period. I know from experience that I was chasing stocks in the sectors moving quicker than other sectors, and if little Kev was doing this, then I'm sure larger investors were doing this too. All up, this chasing of "in" sectors would have caused frequent rebalancing by these index-hugging ETFs. This is borne out by the Balance Sheet (Pg 12), which shows that IHVV was worth $649m at 30 June 2021, and the Statement of Cash Flows (Pg 17) shows that $468m of shares was sold and $427m was purchased. Quite a high turnover of shareholdings.
Such trading would, I have no doubt, be treated as income, and not capital gains, purely because of the size and frequency of the transactions, and the document displayed by Belli supports this. Only 24.2% of the year's distribution (2 x 10.3046% + 3.6016%) was considered by the ETF's managers to be capital gains, most of which was for longer term gains on sale of shares held for more than 12 months.
Maybe a better pair of eyes than mine can find forex income in the financial statements. I couldn't, it all seems to be mixed in to gains on financial instruments. But, during that period the Aussie dollar rose from approximately 0.694 to 0.753 against the US dollar, roughly 10%. Maybe a smarter mind than mine can work out what the result of IHVV's hedging would have been during this time.
It was a very good year to be invested in the US share market with its 38% gain. As a comparison, the Australian market (as measured by XJO) rose only by 24%.
Damn! Shouldn't have researched this. The Hindsight Investor has won again.
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Maybe a better pair of eyes than mine can find forex income in the financial statements. I couldn't, it all seems to be mixed in to gains on financial instruments.
Damn! Shouldn't have researched this. The Hindsight Investor has won again.
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