Does that graph above actually look like a growth stock to anyone else other then So_Cynical????
It certainly does not to me....
condog ive come to the inescapable conclusion that you and i have very different definitions of risk and growth, and certainty different levels of risk acceptance....do you consider your self to be a super conservative investor?
Possibly...but i think youve completely forgotten what this debate was about.... It was whether you could find a high growth low risk stock with 10%+ dividend in todays market.....which i stated was extremely unlikely, if not impossible....as the market prices it in........
You came back sighting HDF as an example ........ you where clearly wrong or misinterpreted my challenge...
As you have pointed out there are no stocks that have
- low risk
- high growth
- and 10+% dividend in today's price
100% Agreed - I thought thats what this whole debate was about and now your agreeing.........about time, you took the long convoluted route to agree with me though.....
And yet there are people (like me) that have brought into stocks in the last 16 months that have grown in value by over 300% and that yield over 14%
Agreed, I have too, ROL , TRF, MND, LYL, SMX, DTL etc some yeilding over 20%. But at the time i bought them the entire global financial market was a wash with incredible risk.......hell even some of my bluechips i bought put on 100-180%, I had the best financial year of my life, and the last 3 months is the icing on the cake.......but the irrescapable fact is this argument is about whether you can buy a high growth low rick 10%+ dividend stock today.....
and you absolutely cannot.....
I mean jezzz everything was considered risky back in the first 5 months of this year...and yet fortune favours the brave...as it always has and always will. Your risk aversion basically means you will miss all the really big movers/yielder's because they don't met your strict definition of a "good thing"
Yes thatss what im saying when dividend and growth are assured, its becasue risk is elevated, irrespective of whether that risk is global, economic or stock specific......
By the time XYZ has all its fundamentals in place, and 3 years of consistent growth behind it and a SP that's been trending up for 2 years...you have well and truly missed the boat.
No i wont, im not risk averse, i just stating what took you two days to see.......you cant have low risk, high div and high growth....all at once unless the overall market is down and thats usually due to hightened risk anyway......
Im not saying avoid risk......Im saying be aware of chasing high dividend stocks in todays market, as they likely have low growth or elevated risks....thats it in a nut shell..........
I dont think you know my investing style or risk tolerance.........this debate has nothing to do with risk tolerance or my risk tolerance.......and i think if you where to know a few speculativie plays i have at present and the size of them you would look extremely foolish making this wild claim............
I actually love risk and embrace it , because its provides a massive return in most cases, but it takes years of excperience to learn how to play the risk game........ and the beginners lounge is not the place to be doing it.....
Ok so we are talking about right now, not when i brought in a few months back at 84 cents and not 2 years ago at 3.20 so lets keep it real...im a buy low kinda guy and im only interested in value buying (falling SP) and thats what caught my attention with HDF...personally i wouldn't be buying HDF at current levels because the value horse has bolted now, under 85 cents great buying now not so as the yield has fallen to almost 10%
No where not we never where.....The debate was can you name a growth stock that has 10%+ dividend and low risk....you came back with HDF and where very much wrong.... at least have the integrity to admit you misinterpreted it or got it wrong....
As far as HDF goes there's only as few months out off the last 5 years when i would of been interested in buying...there's a time to buy, a time to hold, and a time to sell.
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This is irreleevant to the argument......you where asked to find a stock that was high growth with 10%+ dividend and low risk, not a stock that has gone up in the last few months of a GFC low with high dividend....
Perhaps and I hope for your sake you completely misinterpreted what I asked for.... but i rest my case..... at todays prices its extremely unlikely that the market will allow you to buy a 10%+ dividend stock that is low risk and high growth....
To the onlookers srrry for this, but hopefully it has hepled in someway....debate is healthy anyway....
If he wants to go round in circles thats fine....but i dont feel the need to say any more on it....
Beginners just remember - the market is letting you have that high dividend because they regard the stock as either high risk or low growth......the only exception is when we have corrections.....