Heath Ledger Found Dead

Prospector · 26 January 2008

explod said:
It is a dreadful no win and it is unfortunate that the way in which he may have died will cause many younger ones to take the wrong message.?

I think most people believe that until it is proven otherwise, his death has been a tragic accident. Even though he is hugely in the public eye, there has never been any story about drug/alcohol abuse in his past. Young people (well, the ones I have heard from since his death) are more saddened by his loss, rather than the manner in which he died.

explod said:
It seems to me that there is a growing section of teens who are gloomy on the world outlook and if they think it may be cool to follow a certain behaviour, well nuff said.

That group you are referring to are Emo's, and believe me, they need no assistance - they know far more about such things than we ever will. The media is much more likely to influence us, than them. There has been nothing in the manner of Heath Ledger's death that suggests anything other than human error - even the pills which were supposed to have been strewed all over the floor didnt exist - the prescription bottles were full!

vida · 28 January 2008

I was not just stirring things up. Greer is not a bitch nor is she dumb totally opposite which is why she upsets people who cannot handle her straight talk

2020hindsight said:
getting way off topic but .....

Steve ? :engel: ?
vs Germaine? :silly: ?
no contest lol

I think you're prodding for a reaction yes vida?

(then again so was barnz I guess lol)
ok she's not dumb

but she's still a bitch lol

vida · 28 January 2008

Its hard to believe what we read in the papers. One day its the paramedics arriving before the security guys called by Olsen the next day the papers write the Olsen guys arrived first and had access to the room and cleared the drugs away before anyone else say them. Who knows what the truth is. One report says the housekeeper could not have heard him snoring so what did she hear and perhaps she heard other sounds from him she calls snoring to cover her lack of attention where she may have acted to rescue him. If she didn't hear anything why did she say she did. Perhaps she just didn't want to be the one who found him dead and thought she would leave it to someone else. There is only conjecture and we can do that endlessly.

Prospector said:
I think most people believe that until it is proven otherwise, his death has been a tragic accident. Even though he is hugely in the public eye, there has never been any story about drug/alcohol abuse in his past. Young people (well, the ones I have heard from since his death) are more saddened by his loss, rather than the manner in which he died.

That group you are referring to are Emo's, and believe me, they need no assistance - they know far more about such things than we ever will. The media is much more likely to influence us, than them. There has been nothing in the manner of Heath Ledger's death that suggests anything other than human error - even the pills which were supposed to have been strewed all over the floor didnt exist - the prescription bottles were full!

2020hindsight · 28 January 2008

vida said:
I was not just stirring things up. Greer is not a bitch nor is she dumb totally opposite which is why she upsets people who cannot handle her straight talk

would you accept ... mmm hang on - gotta look it up again -
"middle-aged pederast" then ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germaine_Greer

In 2003, The Beautiful Boy was published, an art history book about the beauty of teenage boys, which is illustrated with 200 photographs of what The Guardian called "succulent teenage male beauty", alleging that Greer had appeared to reinvent herself as a "middle-aged pederast." [2] Greer described the book as an attempt to address women's apparent indifference to the teenage boy as a sexual object and to "advance women's reclamation of their capacity for, and right to, visual pleasure" (Greer 2003). The boy pictured on the cover was Björn Andresen, who has said that the use of his picture is "distasteful", and he was not consulted about its use. [3] [4]

PS When you said she was right about Irwin was that
a) Greer :- "The animal world has finally taken its revenge on Irwin".; or
b) Greer :- "It is disgraceful that it has taken the Australian national portrait gallery six months to exhibit a portrait of this most famous Australian"

In September 2006, Greer's column[18] in The Guardian newspaper about the death of Australian Steve Irwin attracted criticism for what was reported as a "distasteful tirade".[19][20] Greer said that "The animal world has finally taken its revenge on Irwin". In an interview with the Nine Network's A Current Affair about her comments, Greer said "I really found the whole Steve Irwin phenomenon embarrassing and I'm not the only person who did"[21] and that she hoped that "exploitative nature documentaries" would now end.[22] Queensland Premier Peter Beattie labelled her comments "stupid" and "insensitive",[23] one of a number of Australian political leaders to make similar comments. While several Australian newspapers reproduced part of her column they also published letters from readers incensed by her comments the following day. Other Australian commentators, such as P. P. McGuinness, the current editor of Quadrant, supported her comments.[24] In a mixed newspaper opinion piece she repeated her criticism of Irwin while saying that it was "disgraceful that it has taken the Australian national portrait gallery six months to" exhibit a portrait of "this most famous Australian". [7]

I possiby agree with her on Howard - not so sure on Princess Di though , "devious moron" etc

In the same month she presented a BBC Radio 4 documentary on the life of American composer and rock guitarist Frank Zappa.[25] She confirmed that she had been a friend of Zappa since the early 1970s and that his orchestral work "G-Spot Tornado" would be played at her funeral.

In July 2007 Greer attacked the then Australian Prime Minister John Howard over his indigenous intervention policy saying the crisis would be turned into "proliferating catastrophe".[26]

In August 2007 Greer made comments regarding Princess Diana, calling her a "devious moron", a "desperate woman seeking applause", "disturbingly neurotic" and "guileless".[27]

And you say she's not a bitch ... how's this for a comment about a female panel member on a TV talk show ? ..
maybe not a bitch - maybe just a "devious moron" perhaps ?

Her most memorable appearance was in 1995 when Ian Hislop quoted Greer's spat with a fellow broadsheet columnist, Suzanne Moore, which included a reference to Moore wearing "f*ck me shoes".

BIG BWACULL · 28 January 2008

Apparently Heath had a crack addiction which he picked up from filming on the set of broke back mountain Get it "crack":arsch: addiction.
Sorry Heath My fault that wasnt very nice:headshake
R.I.P :goodnight

2020hindsight · 28 January 2008

Her most memorable appearance was in 1995 when Ian Hislop quoted Greer's spat with a fellow broadsheet columnist, Suzanne Moore, which included a reference to Moore wearing "f*ck me shoes".

the above from wiki :-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germaine_Greer

"f*ck me shoes" !! - what the hell are they? lol - little thin shoulder / ankle straps maybe ? - mirrors that reflect her nickers? -

answer?
you'll have to ask Germaine - she's the one with the dirty imagination

bwacull said:
on the set of broke back mountain

m8 - I've been calling it Breakback mountain - then i realised it was from watching too much tennis

PS Like that one
bloke goes to the shrink for a psyche test
"ok" says the shrink, "first the picture word association test - what does this remind you of" ?
shows a picture of a circle ... "SEX" he says - quick as a flash

"mmm How about this?" and shows him a picture of a square.. "SEX" he says , ditto.

"mmm , and this " .. a triangle .. "Yep coorh" ... grins, dribbles .. "SEX !"

"I'm sorry sir, but you are a sex maniac, you won't be working here" the shrink advises him.

"WHATTYA mean!" he retorts - "You're the one drawing all the dirty pictures !!"

Julia · 28 January 2008

Re Germaine Greer: she has never been known for her tact and diplomacy.
What she has been known for is her honesty and reluctance to engage in superficial political correctness.

She has a formidable intellect and would make mincemeat of anyone of us on this forum.

Those of you who are so ready with your criticism of her (and I agree that she could perhaps hold her tongue sometimes) are probably too young to appreciate the huge contribution she made to the lives of women everywhere back several decades.
All of us women who now take completely for granted our equal rights with men (though not in the sense of salaries et al) owe Ms Greer a huge debt of gratitude.

Stan 101 · 28 January 2008

Edited : not in good spirit for the forum...

cheers,

2020hindsight · 29 January 2008

:topic
vida
continuing the question of "is Germaine a bitch" (important to note that she hasn't said anything against Heath - to my knowledge - and this is off topic - although she would be in form to say something pretty controversail / outrageous about someone who had recently died) - I post this because I really took offence at her comments about SI, and vida, you have taken her side in this.

some quick polls

a) is Germaine a bitch
b) is Princess Di a devious moron (as claimed by Germaine Greer, 2007)
c) mu / other - although since person a said that of person b, then arguably one or other of a or b should be right yes?

when is the best time to insult people
a) whilst they are alive
b) immediately after they have died when their family including young kids is distraught (in case of SI)
c) wait a year or so (in case of Princess Di) - though she no doubt said something earlier as well

who is more likely to get the biggest funeral
a) Steve Irwin
b) Princess Di
c) Germaine Greer?

Back on topic - Heath was bludy fantastic - I take it we agree on that at least?

barnz2k · 29 January 2008

LOL i guess it was bait. I don't really know anything about Greer but I couldn't stand when she made that comment - if thats your opinion whatever but don't make comments like that in public when people are mourning them.

Steve did a load of good for the environment, and most of the loads of cash he earned went back into his park, and to his crew. He is a champion.

And was basically just a comparison to these idiots, he played a gay cow boy who gives a F**K? That gives them the right to try and picket his funeral? F**K OFF!

Prospector · 29 January 2008

Julia said:
Those of you who are so ready with your criticism of her (and I agree that she could perhaps hold her tongue sometimes) are probably too young to appreciate the huge contribution she made to the lives of women everywhere back several decades.
All of us women who now take completely for granted our equal rights with men (though not in the sense of salaries et al) owe Ms Greer a huge debt of gratitude.

Yes Julia, that is absolutely true. Germaine Greer is now an angry, grumpy, frumpy lady, but years ago, someone had to shake the tree 'in the old days' in order to get change for women's rights.

When my mother was studying, she received a higher grade than a male; he was allowed to do the course that she wanted to do, however she wasn't because, well, "all you will do is get married and have babies so why would you want to do this study?"

She had to give up work when she got married because, well, "why would you want to work when you have a husband to take care of you!" "What, why should you get the same money as Joe Blow (apologies Joe! ), you are a woman" (despite the fact that Joe is doing exactly the same work and is the same age)

Young women (and probably all men!) take for granted equality but this would not be happening without a revolutionary style movement - change such as this would never happen nicely, it needed a radical approach - she (and others) had to be revolutionary and aggressive to make it happen. Coz those men had to be dragged kicking and screaming into accepting this. And some still haven't!

I guess in the old days though, revolutionaries were killed before they got old and grumpy!

vida · 29 January 2008

well the world is never going to be the way many of us would like, and so those women who fought hard to get something more have a right to be grumpy when most of the rest of the world is being complacent & mediocre

I don't believe Germaine is an angry nor frumpy woman. I saw her on The ABC Book Group with Jennifer Byrne and she looked more fab than anyone else there, very stylish, unpretentiously natural and had them all focussing on her every word - she was marvellous in the way she supported her opinions - the panel really enjoyed her company it was clear as a bell they loved her..

Usually she gets asked by media to comment on sensitive topics and probably in a way that might make her a bit edgy so she comes across angry in the way she is reported. I wouldn't take the way journos interpret her seriously

She isn't afraid to speak out when asked her opinion no matter what the timing. I was thinking exactly the same thoughts about Steve and then I saw them published with Greer's name and I was enthralled with her gutsiness

Steve didn't do a thing for animals - they did it all for him!! Made him famous - and she only said that thing about his portrait because it was obvious - he was famous after all, there is no question about that, but so what!! Anyone can be famous these days, some more than others and it doesn't mean anything just bumps up their bank account & ego and stupid people fall 4 it

Prospector said:
Yes Julia, that is absolutely true. Germaine Greer is now an angry, grumpy, frumpy lady, but years ago, someone had to shake the tree 'in the old days' in order to get change for women's rights.

When my mother was studying, she received a higher grade than a male; he was allowed to do the course that she wanted to do, however she wasn't because, well, "all you will do is get married and have babies so why would you want to do this study?"

She had to give up work when she got married because, well, "why would you want to work when you have a husband to take care of you!" "What, why should you get the same money as Joe Blow (apologies Joe! ), you are a woman" (despite the fact that Joe is doing exactly the same work and is the same age)

Young women (and probably all men!) take for granted equality but this would not be happening without a revolutionary style movement - change such as this would never happen nicely, it needed a radical approach - she (and others) had to be revolutionary and aggressive to make it happen. Coz those men had to be dragged kicking and screaming into accepting this. And some still haven't!

I guess in the old days though, revolutionaries were killed before they got old and grumpy!

vida · 29 January 2008

Noteworthy revolutionaries these days only get angry with themselves and overdo drugs as in the case of gutsy gorgeous Heath Ledger. What a terrible waste of a wonderful young life. At least he lived long enough to have Matilda who will learn about him only through others & films, so so sad for her but fabulous at the same time to have such a geat legacy. Snap with HiraniTL

Prospector said:
Yes Julia, that is absolutely true. Germaine Greer is now an angry, grumpy, frumpy lady, but years ago, someone had to shake the tree 'in the old days' in order to get change for women's rights.

When my mother was studying, she received a higher grade than a male; he was allowed to do the course that she wanted to do, however she wasn't because, well, "all you will do is get married and have babies so why would you want to do this study?"

She had to give up work when she got married because, well, "why would you want to work when you have a husband to take care of you!" "What, why should you get the same money as Joe Blow (apologies Joe! ), you are a woman" (despite the fact that Joe is doing exactly the same work and is the same age)

Young women (and probably all men!) take for granted equality but this would not be happening without a revolutionary style movement - change such as this would never happen nicely, it needed a radical approach - she (and others) had to be revolutionary and aggressive to make it happen. Coz those men had to be dragged kicking and screaming into accepting this. And some still haven't!

I guess in the old days though, revolutionaries were killed before they got old and grumpy!

Stan 101 · 29 January 2008

vida said:
Steve didn't do a thing for animals - they did it all for him!!

Now I really have to stop you there..Firstly I have no opinion either way on the guy Steve Erwin was, I feel his wife is a complete nutbag (asking for tv psychics to channel Steve at Australia zoo the other week. Bleeding her daughter and hocking off books before her husband has even started decomposing), and unfortunately feel that poor child may one day be checking into Betty Ford, but I digress.

Steve Irwin bought up untold acres of prime vegetated land for use as sanctuaries for native flora and fauna worldwide. Do a little research.
What have you done for the earth of late?

cheers,

vida · 29 January 2008

You mean his zoo where he kept wild animals in captivity and showed them off and got photographed with them as if he was their creator and rescuer etc while they squirmed and would have loved to kill him. There were better alternatives if he wanted to help animals. See what David Attenborough did - even David suggested that Steve was wrong in all his interventions - rather disastrous he said or some words to that effect, disturbing nature not helping

I am a vegetarian and do not consume any animal products and try to avoid all animal byproducts - I do as much as I can. Have been an activist at some stages and I have been an active member of the Greens Party in organising fundraising and attending events and whatever I can. I participate in my small ways where I believe ethically informed people do a lot of good ...

Yes I am sorry for the little Irwin girl too - and now there is Heath's little girl lost as well but I suspect that her mother will not push her out there to spin money and become a circus act as this Irwin mother has done.. she is moronic

Stan 101 said:
Now I really have to stop you there..Firstly I have no opinion either way on the guy Steve Erwin was, I feel his wife is a complete nutbag (asking for tv psychics to channel Steve at Australia zoo the other week. Bleeding her daughter and hocking off books before her husband has even started decomposing), and unfortunately feel that poor child may one day be checking into Betty Ford, but I digress.

Steve Irwin bought up untold acres of prime vegetated land for use as sanctuaries for native flora and fauna worldwide. Do a little research.
What have you done for the earth of late?

cheers,

vida · 29 January 2008

Why don't people try to find out about the real person Greer is rather than attack her for her opinions which are at often unpopular but fearlessly truthful ... she is one person that many simply love to hate because they are too weak minded to understand what she is really saying, too dumbfounded that anyone dares speak their mind like that to really listen and appreciate. She spends a fortune on preserving her rainforest and works very hard & gives and clearly not receives as much acclaim & financial reward as Mr Irwin

"Germaine Greer Speaks at Writtle College
December, 2007

Germaine Greer gave an interesting talk to over 220 members of the Essex Agricultural Society and their guests on Wednesday 5th December. Professor Greer, who is widely regarded as one of the most significant feminist voices of the 20th century, spoke about the piece of rainforest she owns in South East Queensland, and how she is now trying to return it to its original state, after years of being used for dairy farming.

During the evening Germaine Greer presented a cheque for £10,000 on behalf of the Essex Agricultural Society to the Essex YFC towards the cost of their new building. "

2020hindsight · 29 January 2008

vida
Praise Germaine if you wish

but if you have any influence with her
tell her she (and you) can desist from pouring acid on the Irwins ( for mine)
It is not a becoming trait, and is unlikely to endear her to Aussies who live in Aussie.

Back on thread
How about Major Michael Mori for Aussie of the Year

Stan 101 · 29 January 2008

vida said:
You mean his zoo where he kept wild animals in captivity and showed them off and got photographed with them as if he was their creator and rescuer etc while they squirmed and would have loved to kill him.

No I mean WORLDWIDE for animals to roam free and forage for their own food in their own untouched environments. Please don't put words in my mouth. I have no idea where they have been.

See what David Attenborough did

Used caged animals for his documentaries... Yes, Yes I know. That, that conniving old dog... and here I was thinking he sat out in the deepest jungles for years on end waiting for a south Panamanian gnat to hop past his lense. The BBC is in the world of excrement for falsifying and deceiving the audience.
"The BBC admitted yesterday that the snake was actually a captive animal taken from a snake farm and carefully placed on the rock in the South African desert so that Attenborough could agitate it into spitting for the cameras." http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/tv_and_radio/article3137651.ece
Is this how one spells hypocritical? You'd better start waving your bean curd and hemp batten at the old boy...or should I say Lucifer himself... If he gets away with this, there's no telling where or when he might stop.

I am a vegetarian and do not consume any animal products and try to avoid all animal byproducts - I do as much as I can.

Ironically, vegans must be as disgusted in you as you in me..

I have been an active member of the Greens Party in organizing fund raising and attending events and whatever I can.

The greens couldn't take a flying frig at a rolling donut. It is all pie in the sky stuff with no fundamental fiscal or social policy to support them. The greens would implode if they ever received any real power.
Good to know they are there though. You are right. Someone's got to do it... I just don't like being around large groups of people who don't use deodorant anymore. But that's just me.

cheers,

Seaking · 29 January 2008

vida said:
You mean his zoo where he kept wild animals in captivity and showed them off and got photographed with them as if he was their creator and rescuer etc while they squirmed and would have loved to kill him.

http://www.abc.net.au/rural/qld/content/2006/s1733536.htm

vida · 29 January 2008

Lots of people with money invest in conservation but don't call themselves 'conservationists'. Bill Gates does his bit and many others who don't blow their trumpets so much about it. If Steve had his way he would have purchased Australia and called it Irwania and thumped his chest at us.

Seaking said:
http://www.abc.net.au/rural/qld/content/2006/s1733536.htm

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