Whiskers
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No the "main jist (sic)" is about the Commonwealth imposing another layer of bureaucracy on the system. Whoever controls the funding will call the tune.
Nothing will change. Commonwealth bureaucrats always bungle management, and running a cost effective health system is beyond them. Pouring in more money doesn't help. It just goes down the gurgler as in the BER.
Why so?
From the little info available, the main thrust is are not about takeing over the day to day management of health services, but about some sort of standardisation of services, and funding of health services across the country, particularly to attempt to rectify the imbalance in some regional areas, by taking 30% of current state GST and putting into some fund specifically for health delivery services.
The gov may impliment some of the Henry Review recommendations re the spread of wealth in terms of income tax and welfare, but how could the Henry Review adversly affect state budgets, since the GST cannot be changed without the states agreeing?
BUT... the fed gov isn't managing the day to day delivery of health services. That is still in the hands of the States.
Isn't the main jist of these negotiations to secure health funding probably as a larger SPP, that can't be redirected to other areas eg leaving health supplies low because of unpaid suppliers as in NSW, BUT still managed and delivered by the states, but to some sort of national standard?
Surely once agreement on the standards and funding is agreed, it's all up to the states to deliver/manage as usual as per the agreed standards and funding.
Do you have a direct line to the document proposal? Still no detail other than the 30% GST to be taken away from the states. "Into some fund" ??? WTF ?? Is this some new Laborite terminology that I don't know about?
The meeting resumed at 5pm and Mr Rudd added another $316 million - $200 million more for emergency departments and $116 million more for mental health. The states accepted, clearing the decks for the fight today over GST revenue and the states' demand for all revenue to be put into, and administered by, a single funding pool.
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While Mr Rudd could agree to the latter, he is refusing point-blank to allow the states to keep the GST. He wants to keep the money and spend it directly on local hospital networks.
http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/national/showdown-over-gst-will-be-like-ok-corral-20100419-spe7.html
"Talk about half-cocked Rabble-Rousers!" Asking questions which you have no answer for makes me a Rabble - Rouser than so be it Whiskers !!
Don't even know the basics that are enshrined in the system? Then enlighten me with your omniscient wisdom Oh wise one ........ please !
The main "jist" of Rudd's pre 2007 election policy was a complete take over of the National Hospital system if the states did not improve by July 2009.
Nine months had elapsed before he decided to do something after he was shamed into it. He watered it down to make it look like he was doing 'something'. All talk and no action again. It was all put in the too hard basket for a complete take over, so he choose to smash and grab 30% of the GST and recycle it as Federal assistance, That's our Prime Minister.
I may need to enlighten you Whiskers !
I suppose the GFC and the states refusing to hand over full control all at once had something to do with that... but at the end of the day I just hope they can all agree on some constructive reform to get the ball rolling now.
Nothing enlightening there mate. That's all old hat now... t'was just idle speculation.
As I originally pointed out you were fundamentally lacking to be in any position to be too critical.
But as I said before the states have been in negotiation for two previous COAG's so they obviously know more than they are telling us too. That's what I'm interested in... what they are not yet telling us.
So if the states agree to something this COAG, then some responsibility for the success or failure of any agreement must rest with the states also, since they went into it in the best interests of their citizens.
Rudd has the constitutional power to take them over and does not need approval from the states.
So it's all in the detail?
And you say I am fundamentally lacking to be too critical?? LOLOL ... you funny.
Alan Kohler's take on what this is all about:
http://www.businessspectator.com.au...economy-pd20100420-4NSGE?OpenDocument&src=kgb
The states, meanwhile, are in breach of contract. They have ignored the bargain struck in 1998 to cut small state taxes like payroll tax and stamp duty, and have instead used the money to grow fat.
Specifically, they have blown the GST on employing public servants.
Alan Kohler's take on what this is all about:
http://www.businessspectator.com.au...economy-pd20100420-4NSGE?OpenDocument&src=kgb
"This, ladies and gentlemen, is a very, very big reform of the health and hospital system of Australia," he said.
Work will begin in July to deliver Australians five key changes in health care, Mr Rudd said.
That is 1300 new hospital beds plus another 2500 for those in aged care, as well as 6000 new doctors.
Emergency waiting times will take no longer than four hours and elective surgery is to be delivered on time in 95 per cent of cases.
The fifth element was a ‘‘historic’’ mental health reform, in which 20,000 young people will get access to services, Mr Rudd said.
So the Health Reform charade was just a Trojan Horse to get past the States' defences, and snatch back some ot the GST. It's no wonder we were never told any details about it. Rudd is as cunning as a sewer rat.
Alan Kohler's take on what this is all about:
http://www.businessspectator.com.au...economy-pd20100420-4NSGE?OpenDocument&src=kgb
Not sure I'd go so far as to say John Howards GST deal was reckless, politically expedient maybe.
But the following is clearly a thorn in the states side that could get pretty sore if they went to a referendum.
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