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Saudi Arabia, an ISIS That Has Made It
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Black Daesh, white Daesh. The former slits throats, kills, stones, cuts off hands, destroys humanity’s common heritage and despises archaeology, women and non-Muslims. The latter is better dressed and neater but does the same things. The Islamic State; Saudi Arabia. In its struggle against terrorism, the West wages war on one, but shakes hands with the other. This is a mechanism of denial, and denial has a price: preserving the famous strategic alliance with Saudi Arabia at the risk of forgetting that the kingdom also relies on an alliance with a religious clergy that produces, legitimizes, spreads, preaches and defends Wahhabism, the ultra-puritanical form of Islam that Daesh feeds on.
Wahhabism, a messianic radicalism that arose in the 18th century, hopes to restore a fantasized caliphate centered on a desert, a sacred book, and two holy sites, Mecca and Medina. Born in massacre and blood, it manifests itself in a surreal relationship with women, a prohibition against non-Muslims treading on sacred territory, and ferocious religious laws. That translates into an obsessive hatred of imagery and representation and therefore art, but also of the body, nakedness and freedom. Saudi Arabia is a Daesh that has made it.
The West’s denial regarding Saudi Arabia is striking: It salutes the theocracy as its ally but pretends not to notice that it is the world’s chief ideological sponsor of Islamist culture. The younger generations of radicals in the so-called Arab world were not born jihadists. They were suckled in the bosom of Fatwa Valley, a kind of Islamist Vatican with a vast industry that produces theologians, religious laws, books, and aggressive editorial policies and media campaigns
Saudi Arabia is the world's largest source of funds for Islamist militant groups such as the Afghan Taliban and Lashkar-e-Taiba – but the Saudi government is reluctant to stem the flow of money, according to Hillary Clinton.
"More needs to be done since Saudi Arabia remains a critical financial support base for al-Qaida, the Taliban, LeT and other terrorist groups," says a secret December 2009 paper signed by the US secretary of state. Her memo urged US diplomats to redouble their efforts to stop Gulf money reaching extremists in Pakistan and Afghanistan.
"Donors in Saudi Arabia constitute the most significant source of funding to Sunni terrorist groups worldwide," she said.
Three other Arab countries are listed as sources of militant money: Qatar, Kuwait and the United Arab Emirates.
The cables highlight an often ignored factor in the Pakistani and Afghan conflicts: that the violence is partly bankrolled by rich, conservative donors across the Arabian Sea whose governments do little to stop them.
The problem is particularly acute in Saudi Arabia, where militants soliciting funds slip into the country disguised as holy pilgrims, set up front companies to launder funds and receive money from government-sanctioned charities.
We're a nation, so we collectively share the spit and spoils. That's why separatists like Muslims grate on our psyche: we are by and large a good nation with good citizenry.
Many of my friends don't agree with my arguments, but they are still friends. If they turned up at the door selling Islam, Amway or any of those other highly disagreeable products I would probably make myself absent for a time, to give them time to come to their senses. I would suggest you must be of good character to put up with the ratbag element here, which of cause includes everyone except me, myself and I.
It's a matter of how you sort the good from the bad.
You can wait until someone goes on a killing rampage or you can take some preventative action, collect intelligence, and don't let the potential enemy get too strong or too numerous.
All good reason not to accept the seed of future problem in a country which is economically going fast against a wall, this way we will be able to send people to uni so that theyu can discuss good leftist theory, and live in lalaland.I'm guessing there are profilers and agents we got all over the usual suspects and their friends place. But no matter how much metadata you collect or spies you got out there... we can't be successful and caught all of them all of the time.
Maybe 15 years so far isn't that clear; but then if we count British imperialism in the ME it'd be some 200 years... maybe one ought to conclude that if the aim is to win, more bombs and deadlier police and higher security won't win us this war.
We're definitely not going to lose to the terrorists, and not to any ME countries. BUt this war might break national unity; drain a lot of money towards "securing" everything around and inside our borders and give our masters of war unlimited power and resource to go offshore and take the fights to them enemies everywhere there somewhere.
With these, we might not have enough to educate the kids properly; they might become xenophobic idiots hating and fearing each other; and abroad not making too many friends with the countries we operates in; and to put the cherry on top, tick off a nuclear power, driving it into the arms of another nuclear power - but one that's been growing, resting and making friends all over the place with real money.
All good reason not to accept the seed of future problem in a country which is economically going fast against a wall, this way we will be able to send people to uni so that theyu can discuss good leftist theory, and live in lalaland.
something which worries me today Luutzu:
based on your dedication to portrait any muslim as a saint and refugees as the future of Australia (how lucky these Germans must feel):
I am worried by and I quote your use of:"So we try to bring them the facts, make the case. And if they listen and think about it... if it makes sense to them, minds might change.. "
"WE" that would explain a lot: why be an individual free spirit and use logical and cartesian thinking when you can follow a party, an organisation or just an employer...We???? aka the Saudis? the Islam council ? The "green"?
We? The fews blessed by the light? I would be disappointed but that would explain your dedication
how can this love of refugees (not to say illegal immigrants) be compatible with the anticapitalist view is beyond me and a sign of profund ignorance of the reality..
Wild capitalism is the only winner of uncontrolled borders.
Last week end elections in France are showing to the left what the real grassroot struggling class feel and is subjected by migration AND mate's capitalism.
Voters for the far right are not your typical liberals members and the far right there is the main party for youngest voters.
Of course this party policies are rubbish, there is no way back for Europe but still better than the corrupt duopoly in place and that party has a clear position on migration.
Better dying fighting than enslaved
Clover Moore (Mayoress of Sydney City) shows how out of touch she is....
Sydney siege ‘wasn’t terrorist event’, Lord Mayor Clover Moore says
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...lover-moore-says/story-fni0xqrc-1227645786544
German authorities have raided and shut down a mosque in Stuttgart on grounds of promoting violence and raising money for terrorist organizations such as Islamic State militants. Authorities said that some of its parishioners traveled to fight for IS to Syria.
Police raided a mosque and cultural center called the Islamic Educational and Cultural Center Mesdschid Sahabe (MSM) in the southwestern city of Stuttgart on Thursday. Computers, data storage devices, smartphones, documents were seized, while the center was closed, said Reinhold Gall, the interior minister of Baden-Wurttemberg state.
"The association supports, in the form of the so-called Islamic State, an Islamist group that carries out religiously-motivated attacks against persons and property," he said as quoted by AFP.
Known Salafists and fundamentalist Islamists most of them from western Balkans have been frequent visitors of the mosque, he added. Ten people have travelled to Syria to fight for IS after visiting the center while three of them have since died, he said.
"Through the association, donations have been collected for terrorist groups and fighters recruited for the conflict in Syria. In addition, the association and its members glorify jihad and religiously motivated terrorism," he said. "We do not tolerate associations that advocate the use of violence to promote religious concerns and collect donations for terrorist groups."
The mosque and center was previously raided by police in March to gather evidence.
On Wednesday, Germany introduced a new special unit consisting of some 250 officers to counter terrorism threat.
"The danger in Germany from international terrorism is high, as it is across Europe," Interior Minister Thomas de Maiziere told reporters. "It was high, it is high, and it will remain high for the foreseeable future."
Why bother coming to Australia if it's not up to scratch?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...lia-railed-against-West-s-corrupt-values.html
Oh dear. Why did we let him in ?
Why do we allow him to stay?
Two men have been arrested in counter-terrorism raids in Sydney after police thwarted what they say were plots to attack locations including a naval base and police headquarters.
Abdullah Salihy, 24, was arrested at Memorial Avenue in Merrylands and Mohammad Alamouie, 20, was arrested in Bankstown.
Salihy has been charged with knowingly collecting or making documents connected with terrorism.
He did not apply for bail when he appeared at Parramatta Local Court.
Alamouie also appeared at Parramatta Local Court and also did not apply for bail, but NSW Police have not confirmed what he was charged with.
Magistrate Carl Milovanovich formally refused bail to both men, with Alamouie set to appear at Central Local Court on January 20, 2016 and Salihy due to appear on March 2, 2016.
Deputy NSW Police Commissioner Catherine Burn said there was no specific threat to the community but that a naval base was among the locations the suspects had discussed.
"In there, Woolloomooloo naval base was one of the locations that were discussed, but there wasn't a specific place identified," Deputy Commissioner Burn said.
She said the police investigation disrupted the planned terrorism plot.
Two arrested in Sydney counter-terrorism raids, Woolloomooloo naval base among locations discussed
Is anyone surprised of the names?
A manhunt has been launched in Germany for 12 people who used fake Syrian passports to enter the country and then disappeared, according to a report in a German tabloid.
The documentation is believed to have been taken by ISIS when they captured the Syrian city of Raqqa in 2013 and supplied to migrants by the same source as those used by two of the Paris attackers, the Bild newspaper claimed.
It follows last week’s arrests by Austrian police of two people suspected of having links to the Paris attacks at a refugee shelter in Salzburg.
The country’s biggest newspaper the Kronen Zeitung claimed the suspects were French and had entered Europe via Greece with ISIS militants who later carried out the Paris attacks, using forged Syrian passports.
At least two of the men who are believed to have carried out the attack on the French capital remain on the run, including Salah Abdeslam. The 26-year-old French national born in Brussels has been identified as a key suspect is the subject of a massive police manhunt in Belgium and beyond.
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