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This is gold, a pleasing diversion from what i should be doing. keep it up you guys.
Yeah go for it guys, get it out.
But really how can you knock Kiwis? They try hard, like Seth Efricans do and like Aussies do in London, New York - it is the nature of immigration. People have to try harder to settle into foreign lands, they ain't got no connections, school tie and other in-bred crap. So bring in the immigrantsand
Love yah maths Roddick, but the fundamentals are flawed - stagnate and wither until we evolve to a self sustaining lifestyle, i.e. reduced consumerism, enjoy old things, stop making stuff unnecessarily complicated. Alas won't happen in my lifetime
Sorry dude with all the banter going back and forth, got mistaken with Roddick.
We can do without another plague and I could handle some enlightened sustained living, but our economy isn't there yet so we need growth, which comes in the form of increased consumers, producers and talent. All assuming we have a decent system which Australia has, and not corrupt inefficient like most countries with spiralling growth rates (pre Aids in some).
Ok this might sound racist but it's not meant to be, if the mods don't like it just delete -
What worries me is the volume of Asians, in particular Chinese that are moving here.
Some suburbs are completely taken over by them to the exclusion of Anglo Aussies.
Rudd speaks Chinese and I can see the day when we may be the subject of a takeover of sorts.
The other worry is Muslims, I'm not concerned with the majority of them but the extremists come with them and that is a huge concern , in Britain, France and Europe generally.
We have 200m Muslims in Indonesia just a short swim from us, that concerns me.
These are so typically Australian concerns. It's always someone or something. Roll the clock back 20 years and substitute Japanese for Chinese and communism for Islam and voila! It's the same but different.
A Chinese takeover? You mean like the Japanese takeover of the 80's? The bus loads of turists who would turn up and buy all the membership places at our golf courses?
Immigrants and foreign investment are attracted to our country because of it's success. Whether we become victims of our own success or grand beneficiaries depends on how we respond.
If you've got enough time to be concerned with these things why not allocate part of your think time to brainstorming all the reasons why what you are concerned about is not likely to become a reality. I'd be surprised if you don't come up with at least two or three convincing arguements against yourself.
Don't you have any faith in Australia's ability to absorb and assimilate immigrants?
I think the tide has turned in favor of the immigrants, they seem to almost outnumber the traditional Aussie now.
We cant reproduce fast enough or afford more kids thanks to the cost of living/housing.
I hope you're right but it different now to how it was, it's accelerated dramatically.
Why the implied "us and them"???
You do understand that the current system is geared toward an expanding population? This isn't just in Australia, it's the entire western world. Practically no-where are the birthrates sufficient to support the welfare obligations to future generations. We are all competing for and striving to integrate immigrants, or we're all working until we're 80.
On the original topic, which immigrants are likely to be the easiest (read: most cost efficient) to integrate into Australia? That would have to be the east islanders, wouldn't it?
FWIW I'd like to see an Australian Union in my lifetime. Quite a force to be reckoned with I would think
Interesting perspective, competing for immigrants.
Hope it all turns out ok but I and many others are starting to feel like we're outnumbered by immigrants in our own country.
Earlier on this thread it was pointed out that most New Zealanders living in Australia have jobs.
If they are in fact receiving any unemployment benefits (and these are I understand much harder to get than they used to be), then rest assured the NZ government is billed for the appropriate amount under the Australia/NZ Reciprocal Agreement.
So they don't have a right to say they like their birth place better?You have obviouslty never lived on the Gold Coast ( not that the Aussies there have much of a brain either I must admit ) but the amount of kiwis there is amazing.
What annoys me is they keep saying NZ is better, well go back bludgers.
Opinions are personal attacks?
You are aware of my opinion on the WAGES and SKILLS of tradesmen
The CONDUCT and CONTRIBUTION of kiwis
the FAILINGS of property on society etc
where does this amount to provocation?
Is it not ok for me to say, for example that property "investment" is bad for the economy but for you to say that it is?
If my viewpoints on certain aspects conflict with yours, it does not amount to a personal attack, just as I do not think you personally attack me with differing viewpoints.
I will never be convinced that Kiwis here are employed or not involved in crime and are not aggressive, because I have lived in areas where there are a lot of them.
For reasons known only to yourself, Soft Dough, you are obviously determined to be unreasonable and thoroughly unpleasant.Oh so you receive nothing from the Australian taxpayer? What a load of rubbish, can you please remove such a crappy statement from your post. Everyone here recieves benefits from the Australian taxpayer.
I will never be convinced that Kiwis here are employed or not involved in crime and are not aggressive, because I have lived in areas where there are a lot of them.
Well, it could have changed. Definitely used to happen on a reimbursement basis. I recall a few years ago there was a stand down period introduced so that Kiwis could not get unemployment benefits in Australia for, I think, two years. That would have cured a lot of the problem I guess.Hi Julia,
This is not my understanding of the way the Reciprocal Agreements work, in respect of Unemplyoment Payments, in particular.
A reciprocal agreement covers when and how nationals from foreign countries can recieve a welfare payment, if in the reciprocal country.
There is no "balancing of the books"...ie billing or payment between each country.
Well yes and no. At age pension age if I were still to be living in NZ, I would receive their non-means tested National Super payment. I would become eligible for this on the basis of all the years I paid taxes in NZ. But because I'm not eligible in Australia for the Australian Age Pension via it being means tested here, I miss out on the basis of the reciprocal agreement between Australia and NZ.As Australia has a very generous welfare system by world standards, this is beneficial for citizens of certain countries, especially New Zealanders, British, Italian and Greek citizens.
Well probably, purely on the basis that more New Zealanders want to live in Australia than vice versa. I don't think that necessarily translates into too many of them being on the dole, however, particularly if as I suspect there is a two year stand down period.I believe there are many more Kiwis living in Australia recieving Unemployment benefits than Australians on UB in NZ.
Again, you might find some statistics to support this suggestion.So regretably I inform you, to the best of my knowledge, and notwithstanding your own and many others taxation contribution, that from a welfare perspective, Australian taxpayers ( such as yourself), are indeed subsidising the welfare situation of NZ.
Then again... some Indonesian maps still have Australia named as New Indonesiamaybe you should be worried eh? maybe it's all a plot to take the country by stealth?? Maybe K-Rudd is a Chinese sleeper agent??
oh no we're doooooooomed I tell you! dooooomed!
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