Value Collector
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Was looking at the 10 year chart over the weekend and noticed the obvious, POG now back to where it should be, back to the long term 10 year trend..if we consider the irrational exuberance of 2011/12 to be just that then its full steam ahead with everything going according to plan.
Based on the above i would think that the miners look to be extraordinary opportunities at current prices.
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An interesting assessment So_C, But what makes you think the fair value should be near 1200. I mean that's a tripling in price in 7 years. Tripling in 7 years is a massive move for an asset that doesn't grow, I mean an ounce is still just an ounce 7 years later.
I didnt say anything about value, simply pointed out that the 10 year trend was still intact and that the price had now returned to trend...i will leave value calculations to the people who think it matters...world average production price is around $1150 USD and as i suggested several months ago this has so far proven to be support.
It is not hard to work out as the price of gold has gone up an average of 30% per year since 2001. And as the monetisation of debt looks to continue so will the price of gold go up on its current trend.
We have had a fair bit of it this year so I am calling US$2,200 2011
2012 about $2,900
2013 " " 3,900
roughly of course, but as the general investment community is now taking a little bit of notice it my go up exponentially further.
And we are nowhere near the mania of the dot. com for example, when the taxi driver insists on buying, only then will it hit the top and be time to sell.
As with all "useless" commodities - art, stamps, autographs, cricket memorabilia - an ounce of gold ihas no intrinsic value per se; it's worth exactly what the keenest buyer is prepared to pay and the most disenchanted seller is willing to accept. That can change daily and locally, although with the global marketplace, I can find an eager buyer or desperate seller at any place where there is Internet and eBay.
It's important to know where the entry is, but it's more important to know where the exit is?
For those in Sydney the SMH ran a story here.
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That Q at ABC Bullion takes about an hour to get through. I was after 10oz bars but they only had 1oz left. Totally overwhelming for all involved, totally unprofessional organisation by the vendors.
An ABC Radio journo (an attractive lady) was hanging around for interviews.
When there is a genuine bull bust there's just no way of dumping physical, so keep nimble..........
Others - http://bullionmoney.com.au/
As for the gold dump over the last 2 weeks, all it has succeded in doing was to sterilise even more paper money into non productive, non velocity, inertness which will need even more QE to counter?
A little inflation in Japan though - http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-...boost-burger-price-first-time-since-2008.html
Yep must be over for gold, the sheep are lining up and its in the news.
This was worth posting again in this thread, thanks Pixel....
10 Reasons the Gold Bugs Lost Their Shirts
Yes, and in 2008 the US gold price went from near $1,000 to $750, down 25%.
But in 2010 to late 2011 it went from $1,100 to above $1,800, up about 70%; and,
the last two years as per the article down about 35%. So in reality it is all over the place, as are currencies.
However in thinking currencies I believe gold to be the safest. A good way to look at gold is in the very long term, (not thinking of a trading perspective here but asset preservation). In 1971 gold was US$35 an ounce, today $1,240 up 35 times. I purchased a basic home back then for $10,000, today that home (in a country town) is worth about $230,000. In gold we would realise $350,000. Against our own currency a lot more.
In 1971 gold was US$35 an ounce, today $1,240 up 35 times. I purchased a basic home back then for $10,000, today that home (in a country town) is worth about $230,000. In gold we would realise $350,000. Against our own currency a lot more.
Yes, and in 2008 the US gold price went from near $1,000 to $750, down 25%.
But in 2010 to late 2011 it went from $1,100 to above $1,800, up about 70%; and,
the last two years as per the article down about 35%. So in reality it is all over the place, as are currencies.
However in thinking currencies I believe gold to be the safest. A good way to look at gold is in the very long term, (not thinking of a trading perspective here but asset preservation). In 1971 gold was US$35 an ounce, today $1,240 up 35 times. I purchased a basic home back then for $10,000, today that home (in a country town) is worth about $230,000. In gold we would realise $350,000. Against our own currency a lot more.
Gold is a terrible long term investment.
However in thinking currencies I believe gold to be the safest. A good way to look at gold is in the very long term, (not thinking of a trading perspective here but asset preservation). In 1971 gold was US$35 an ounce, today $1,240 up 35 times. I purchased a basic home back then for $10,000, today that home (in a country town) is worth about $230,000. In gold we would realise $350,000. Against our own currency a lot more.
And before that people claimed $1600 as support.
Gold is a weird one to me, Because it doesn't get consumed, it doesn't get used up, it just gets stockpiled. I can't see the cost of production providing support, because if it falls out of favour there is no need for people to keep stock piling it, Those high cost mines would just be shut down.
Gold is a terrible long term investment.
The biggest long term argument against gold has to be the compounding effect of other assets that generate income, which can be used to buy more assets.
Morons.
Sinner since no one here has true excess capital your argument is rubbish. Any punter with a bit (ie 5 mil or less) of $ to allot would still be better making money 'work'. Putting it in gold to "store" value is about as sensible business decision as closing up shop because you don't want to purchase any more stock that you can then on sell.
Some of the gold bugs talk like they are the Rothschilds. Just LOL. My bet is 99% are wage jockeys deluding yourselves into protecting your extra few hundred left over after you pay your landlord rent.
Forget risk/counter party blah blah. Go out and use your money to grab a bit of the worlds opportunity. Trust me it will still be here for some time......
Currency's are not generally considered to be an asset or an investment, gold just like any other currency can be traded for profit...big difference with gold of course is that it costs $1150 USD to produce an ounce while is costs a fraction of a cent to produce $1150 USD.
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