CanOz
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Its standard practise. Its the rules that we all know. Margin is based on historical volatility. As moves in a contract become larger so to does the required margin. It will happen in wild markets and also as a contract goes from say $1000 to $1800. There is no secret that it will happen its on every futs exchange website,
http://www.cmegroup.com/clearing/risk-management/span-overview.html#works
What I find interesting is that bugs always bang on about how the paper gold is such a dangerous system and just wait till it collapse. But then when they go about their predefined rules to ensure that the market is stable in regards to counter party risk Bugs scream manipulation! Says a lot about the way some perceive the world... IMO.
By the way they also lifted margin on FX and gas contracts....... right on CUE!
That said, it is a known dynamic that could theoretically be exploited if commodities law did not set position limits on the larger, deeper pocketed players. Would you concede that? Commodities law came about to prevent undue market influence, that in itself acknowledges that in principal the futures market mechanism could lend itself to abuse. No?
This is where I think a lot of people have issues with the gold and silver market, the position limits seem to be a little generous for such small markets. It is also very murky as to whether they are adhered to.
Because you use the term 'bubble', this implies an extreme over valuation with little or no real fundamental support for the current price and that once burst it will not recover until the fundamentals have changed. This is not the case with gold, you or anybody else here can't build a case for a bubble in gold.... yet every time the price rises we get "talking head" prattle about a bubble.
I feel duty bound to take pot shots at bubble mongers who can't support their claims with any sort of fundamental insight. The problem is the inability to distinguish between price an value, modern "investment" seems completely price fixated... where have the value investors gone? You know the ones that back their assessment that the market has it wrong and is under pricing an asset? Warren? Warren? Are you there????
As per the above definition I consider my comments valid, the gold price bubble popped.
A very interesting article from a non-mainstream economist.
Who and why they crash the gold....
http://www.24hgold.com/english/news...direct=false&contributor=Chris+Martenson&mk=1
As far as I can see, the price of gold collapsed regardless of the reasons, overpriced, inflated value or conspiracies. I couldn't give a rats clacker. If you have lost money in gold or are exposed I sympathise for you.
I haven't swallowed any theories. I get it wrong from time to time and when I get it wrong I don't blame the market. I accept that I got it wrong then decide how long I am prepared to stay wrong.
Not quite sure what you are trying to say with this one. I can't see where I said "Every price rise is due to irrational exuberance". However I find it difficult to believe that anyone experienced in the market would deny that irrational exuberance often plays a role.
I also can't see where I have attacked you either, as distict from expressing an opinion, so there is no basis for the "talking Heads" or "bubble mongers" slag offs. If anything it highlights the weakness of your argument. As per the above definition I consider my comments valid, the gold price bubble popped.
http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/201...update-the-attack-on-gold-paul-craig-roberts/
In particular a further take on the availability of physical.
A very interesting article from a non-mainstream economist.
Who and why they crash the gold....
http://www.24hgold.com/english/news...direct=false&contributor=Chris+Martenson&mk=1
You wonder if the Sunday action was a test run for the bigger sell down on Thursday/Friday.
It will be interesting to see if anyone is prepared to bet against the big banks and start pushing the price upwards or if gold will plateau at the current levels.
These guys are to be respected, they know what they are doing when it comes to achieving short term objectives.
It will be interesting to see if anyone is prepared to bet against the big banks and start pushing the price upwards or if gold will plateau at the current levels.
http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/201...update-the-attack-on-gold-paul-craig-roberts/
In particular a further take on the availability of physical.
thanks, great article. Interesting how self fulling these call from large investors/parties are...
A very interesting article from a non-mainstream economist.
Who and why they crash the gold....
http://www.24hgold.com/english/news...direct=false&contributor=Chris+Martenson&mk=1
That whole article is just rubbish.
It would be good if you could point out why?
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