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Just curious how many people here trade gold physical?
I have found the physical market to be in a real good position as the US Spot is at the lower price end over the last 12months and the AUD Spot is still easily sitting comfortably between the 900-1000 range (thanks to our weakening dollar).
Even when the US price tanks the AUD holds up nicely or takes a softer fall.
If you trade physical you would know what im talking about.
Reserve Primary has both institutional and retail accounts. "This appears to be the first case where a retail investor will lose money in a money market fund." said Peter Crane, president of market research firm Crane Data in Westborough, Mass., though he called the situation "an anomaly."
I am more concerned about the return of my money than the return on my money. --Mark Twain
Dear CIGAs,
1. The quoted amount of OTC derivatives on Lehman's books are not notional value, but some silly mark to no market. The real number is trillions. When either party to an OTC derivative fails the value of that derivative instantaneously become the size of what was previously called notional value. With one quadrillion, one thousand one hundred and forty four trillion (BIS) in notional value, there is NO means to stop this financial cataclysm.
2. The **** has hit the fan because trillions of dollars of OTC derivatives failed Monday.
3. The entity to fail is not the winner on those fraudulent pieces of paper but the loser. Otherwise it would not have failed.
4. Many other counter parties to those derivatives have fallen into potential bankruptcy.
5. The long spoken about "domino effect" is active and I now believe the Fed did not consider how a derivative becomes full value (formerly called notional value) when one side goes into bankruptcy. Yes, Pandora's Box opened Monday morning.
The problem is that physical gold are priced in USD,
A lot of nationalised industries in the free world. Capitalism communist style?
There is no paddle and the creek is long.
Gold isn't going to go up. Gold is just going to 'be' while the USD dissappears.
Interesting times indeed.
Insurance anyone? There's a better version on offer than AIG's.
Yeah it's funny,
just in time before the US election maybe? Bizarre!
The problem is that physical gold are priced in USD, and it usually only rises when the USD Index is down. Fairly negative correlation. This also correspond to an increase value of our AUD verse USD, thus, dampening the increase in value of physical gold priced in AUD.
That's the ironic situation for us Australian gold investors.
What I do is to buy USD dominated ETCs (with physical backing!) and hedge it by borrowing USD with AUD to purchase them. This way, I am hedged against the movement of currencies. Of course, it means when gold prices do drop, I obviously suffer the "normal" investment lost.
What happened to a free market?
This is probably why the market is bleeding so slow, every disaster is covered up and the bandages keep getting applied. I wonder how long before the next victim and another 'rescue package' is applied to the US economy.
What makes me wonder is, why all these failures in the past month?
... just in time before the US election maybe? Bizarre!
Once spot pushes up past US$785 -790 resistance very soon then should be off to the races.
Gold stocks doing quite nicely.
Who says cash is king?
http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/story.aspx?guid={56A2CEE5-5A53-4A27-A4BA-585CFBE173A4}&siteid=rss
Here is a money market fund freezing redemptions! You put your money into a money mkt fund supposedly the most liquid and safest vehicle available, and now its frozen and losing money!
Its apparently only the second time ever a money market fund's value had dropped below $1 per unit.
What is happening now is too astounding for words! When even people like Greenspan are calling it a once on a century event, its fairly serious.
From Jim Sinclair:
http://www.jsmineset.com/home.asp
Very interesting isn't it Uncle.FWIW, some sort of wedgy thingy hapning - primed for a big move - up???
Very interesting isn't it Uncle.
Seems all the hot money has gone home. (probably with a termination letter)
Huh? To me it looks like $785 is the resistance in a classic ascending triangle, with bullish continuance from accumulation?
I'm just saying considering all the crazy action elsewhere you wouldn't expect gold to be suck in the range it set in the first 4 hours of trading early Monday.....
and the interventionals. If the Fed can put $80b without blinking to save the system, how important also to spend a couple of billion keeping gold down, as thats the canary in the mine shouting the system is bankrupt. Unfortunately I don't think it can stay hidden much longer.
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