Gold is officially stuffed - $350 target now!

ducati916 said:

High employment in an economy is inflationary.
If, gold is an inflation hedge, then, rising employment figures would imply a rising gold price.

Employment however must be taken in context with productivity figures as, spare capacity within productive capability can scrub the inflationary effects of high employment.

Therefore, as usual, one economic metric, taken out of context, misinterpretated, results in an erroneous conclusion.

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Finally someone gets to the real issue.

Gundini said:

Hi all, this is a funny post, hehehe.... Have a read of this, or am I missing something....

"When you’ve been trading the gold market for nearly 30 years like I have, you develop a sixth sense for the precious yellow metal.

You can hear it speak to you. You can feel its rhythm. You can interpret its signals. And let me tell you, gold can anticipate otherwise unforeseen events better than any other investment I know of.

Gold’s recent rally back over $600 an ounce is telling me that all is not well with the world ... that a financial crisis of major proportions is about to strike. The forces that could precipitate this crisis are varied:

The stock market is now at unjustifiable levels based on earnings, dividend yields, relative strength, and more;
Real estate is in shambles;
The country’s national debt is off the charts;
Economic growth is slowing;
Inflation is still picking up steam;
And the threat of another terrorist attack on U.S. soil is still an unfortunate possibility.

Now, I don’t know exactly when the crisis will hit or what shape it will be. It could be tomorrow, next week, or next month. It could start with derivatives, a hedge fund, the bond market, or in some other over-leveraged, overly speculative area.

But whatever it is, I repeat my warning: I see a crisis on the immediate horizon, and it won’t be pretty.

Gold is already signaling it, but when the crisis strikes, the yellow metal will fly through the roof. So will gold shares."

Call me old fashion, but I'm inclined to believe this guy...

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Forgive me if im wrong but the world didnt end when the gold price went over $700. Also the fact that gold has risen over the $600 mark again i think has a lot to do with rising production costs and the fact that many wonderful chinese can afford to buy it!

ducati916 said:

Inflation being defined as; decreased purchasing power

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I seem to recall that inflation was originally defined as an increase in the money supply. I'll have to see if I can find an old dictionary and check...

thestorm said:

I watched Foxtel this morning and all the experts on CNBC were confirming the last rites for Gold.

George W Bush is now presiding over the greatest economy ever and will lead the DOW to its greatest rise ever. All hail the mighty George W and the Republicans.

If the Democrats get in then Gold could go as low as $200 so you all better hope mighty George wins next Tuesday's elections.

Rememeber you must swap Gold for $US. USA is the greatest economy in the world - the rest of the world follow the almighty $US

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do some of your own research buddy.
forget about those "experts"

Hey thestorm,
Your not George Bush by any chance.

I seem to recall that inflation was originally defined as an increase in the money supply. I'll have to see if I can find an old dictionary and check...

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Incorrect.
Prices for goods and services can increase without any increase within the variety of metrics for money [M1, M2, M3,] which carry specific definitions. This then results in price inflation which fulfills the definition of inflation = the loss of purchasing power

The increase in money [M1] should grow at the rate of Productivity & GDP [real] In this scenario, there is no loss of purchasing power, and prices remain in equilibrium, thus the result is an increase in M1, but 0% inflation.

jog on
d998

thestorm said:

I watched Foxtel this morning and all the experts on CNBC were confirming the last rites for Gold.

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There was a New York Times article last week headlined, "In '97, U.S. Panel Predicted a North Korea Collapse in 5 Years."

From the NYT article: A team of government and outside experts convened by the Central Intelligence Agency concluded in 1997 that North Korea's economy was deteriorating so rapidly that the government of Kim Jong-il was likely to collapse within five years, according to declassified documents made public on Thursday.

This forecasting case study makes for a good addendum to Phillip Tetlock's "Expert Political Judgment" (excerpt from "New Yorker" review below). Tetlock discusses the need for putting beliefs in testable forms, the tendency for statistical models to outperform human judgment, and the bias that motivates black swans to be overlooked.

From the "New Yorker" review: The accuracy of an expert's predictions actually has an inverse relationship to his or her self-confidence, renown, and, beyond a certain point, depth of knowledge...

Tetlock is a psychologist-he teaches at Berkeley-and his conclusions are based on a long-term study that he began twenty years ago. He picked two hundred and eighty-four people who made their living "commenting or offering advice on political and economic trends," and he started asking them to assess the probability that various things would or would not come to pass, both in the areas of the world in which they specialized and in areas about which they were not expert. Would there be a nonviolent end to apartheid in South Africa? ... Would Canada disintegrate? (Many experts believed that it would, on the ground that Quebec would succeed in seceding.) And so on. By the end of the study, in 2003, the experts had made 82,361 forecasts. Tetlock also asked questions designed to determine how they reached their judgments, how they reacted when their predictions proved to be wrong, how they evaluated new information that did not support their views, and how they assessed the probability that rival theories and predictions were accurate...

Human beings who spend their lives studying the state of the world, in other words, are poorer forecasters than dart-throwing monkeys...

Tetlock also found that specialists are not significantly more reliable than non-specialists in guessing what is going to happen in the region they study. Knowing a little might make someone a more reliable forecaster, but Tetlock found that knowing a lot can actually make a person less reliable ... And the more famous the forecaster the more overblown the forecasts...

"Expert Political Judgment" is just one of more than a hundred studies that have pitted experts against statistical or actuarial formulas, and in almost all of those studies the people either do no better than the formulas or do worse...

Tetlock's experts were also no different from the rest of us when it came to learning from their mistakes. Most people tend to dismiss new information that doesn't fit with what they already believe. Tetlock found that his experts used a double standard: they were much tougher in assessing the validity of information that undercut their theory than they were in crediting information that supported it. The same deficiency leads liberals to read only The Nation and conservatives to read only National Review. We are not natural falsificationists: we would rather find more reasons for believing what we already believe than look for reasons that we might be wrong. In the terms of Karl Popper's famous example, to verify our intuition that all swans are white we look for lots more white swans, when what we should really be looking for is one black swan ...

[E]xperts routinely misremembered the degree of probability they had assigned to an event after it came to pass. They claimed to have predicted what happened with a higher degree of certainty than, according to the record, they really did. When this was pointed out to them, by Tetlock's researchers, they sometimes became defensive.

And, like most of us, experts violate a fundamental rule of probabilities by tending to find scenarios with more variables more likely ...

[Worse forecasters are] thinkers who 'know one big thing,' aggressively extend the explanatory reach of that one big thing into new domains, display bristly impatience with those who 'do not get it,' and express considerable confidence that they are already pretty proficient forecasters, at least in the long term. [Better forecasters are] thinkers who know many small things (tricks of their trade), are skeptical of grand schemes, see explanation and prediction not as deductive exercises but rather as exercises in flexible 'ad hocery' that require stitching together diverse sources of information, and are rather diffident about their own forecasting prowess.

Tetlock also has an unscientific point to make, which is that "we as a society would be better off if participants in policy debates stated their beliefs in testable forms"-that is, as probabilities-"monitored their forecasting performance, and honored their reputational bets.">

"Most people tend to dismiss new information that doesn't fit with what they already believe. Tetlock found that his experts used a double standard: they were much tougher in assessing the validity of information that undercut their theory than they were in crediting information that supported it"

Ain't that the truth.
Especially when it comes to trading.


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Gold crashed again overnight. Confirmation that China is not going to put any of its reserves into Gold now shows that gold will crash to at least $350 in the next couple of months.

This is officially the end of the gold bull run.

chubbrace said:

Gold crashed again overnight. Confirmation that China is not going to put any of its reserves into Gold now shows that gold will crash to at least $350 in the next couple of months.

This is officially the end of the gold bull run.

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No ones told the furtures markets

December Gold futures ended the day down about $8, hardly a crash .

For the week they were unchanged, but still well ahead since the begining of the Month.

I dont know were Gold is headed but to say $350 in a few months would see it fall by nearly 50%

chubbrace said:

Gold crashed again overnight. Confirmation that China is not going to put any of its reserves into Gold now shows that gold will crash to at least $350 in the next couple of months.

This is officially the end of the gold bull run.

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That could hardly be called a crash. It was just a minor correction.

chubbrace said:

Gold crashed again overnight. Confirmation that China is not going to put any of its reserves into Gold now shows that gold will crash to at least $350 in the next couple of months.

This is officially the end of the gold bull run.

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CHICKEN says LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL...US$5 down....LOLOLOLOL get a life and whoever post this has the brain capacity of a 5year old....and whoever believes it, must also be a mental case...maybe someone from Queensland..LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLO,.....maybe even a broker who spend to much time in the sun..LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

chubbrace said:

Gold crashed again overnight. Confirmation that China is not going to put any of its reserves into Gold now shows that gold will crash to at least $350 in the next couple of months.

This is officially the end of the gold bull run.

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$6 is not a crash.
I actually think it's up from this time yesterday, it just dropped from it's intraday peak.
There was no confirmation.
You provide no analysis or justification to why you believe gold will 'crash' to $350.
How can this small move be the 'official' end to golds bull run.
I have just wasted 5 minutes of my life responding to this dribble.

Thank God, just realised you are now on holidays.

chubbrace said:

Gold crashed again overnight. Confirmation that China is not going to put any of its reserves into Gold now shows that gold will crash to at least $350 in the next couple of months.

This is officially the end of the gold bull run.

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Oh well it it's official, I'll sell everything now. :

chubbrace said:

Gold crashed again overnight. Confirmation that China is not going to put any of its reserves into Gold now shows that gold will crash to at least $350 in the next couple of months.

This is officially the end of the gold bull run.

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this sort of rubbish needs to be pulled from ASF. 5.00 is not even a correction.

:iagree:
Was funny at first but Jokes over now.....
Someone lock this thread and all of his other (and future) threads.

thestorm said:

Brilliant employment numbers from the US, exceeding all expectations, have put the final nail in the coffin for Gold.

Lowest unemployment for 5 years proved that the Republicans are the best at running the economy.

It was a disastrous result for Gold. Some people are now saying Gold could drop as low as $350 from it current $620+ figure.

Watch the gold stocks crash on Monday as everyone moves their money back into the almighty US$

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Interesting to read this old thread. Looks like someone got it wrong.