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Global Warming - How Valid and Serious?

What do you think of global warming?

  • There is no reliable evidence that indicates global warming (GW)

    Votes: 8 5.2%

  • There is GW, but the manmade contribution is UNPROVEN (brd),- and we should ignore it

    Votes: 12 7.8%

  • Ditto - but we should act to reduce greenhouse gas effects anyway

    Votes: 46 30.1%

  • There is GW, the manmade contribution is PROVEN (brd), and the matter is not urgent

    Votes: 6 3.9%

  • Ditto but corrective global action is a matter of urgency

    Votes: 79 51.6%

  • Other (plus reasons)

    Votes: 7 4.6%
  • Total voters
    153
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Interesting that temperature records in Belgium and Europe generally are being broken by 2 degrees.
Normally records are broken by say 0.2degrees.
 
Knobby22 said:
Interesting that temperature records in Belgium and Europe generally are being broken by 2 degrees.
Normally records are broken by say 0.2degrees.
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If you're going to do something then may as well do it properly.

But yeah, the trend here is rather serious.
 
Sure it is hot but yesterday,it was stated on thatthe news..i assume abc that Belgium did not surpassed its 2002 record

And as far as i see France did not really matched its 1976 heat wave seen in a state wide fashion but yes some local records were broken
No one was shouting global warming in 1976 when i was there, but might have been.
.as long as co2 is not blamed..i could agree..
With the Sahara expanding, Timbuktu now in a desert, and african lakes drying not a surprise to see side effects but still global warming due to co2 or c
aka climate change i agree due to human overpopulation
Anyway lets forget the true issues and blame farting cows
 
You remain as clueless as ever on this subject.
It's not just the daily records being broken, it's the monthly records, which better reflect "climate", as distinct from "weather" events which can be isolated "one-offs".
qldfrog said:
aka climate change i agree due to human overpopulation
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For over two centuries one third of the global population was responsible for a cumulative 10% or so of GHG emissions.
So overpopulation is not a cause, but industrialisation is.
 
This very short video from Harrison Ford looks at the big picture of dealing with CC and highlights how a critical element of the solution is protecting and enhancing our natural ecosystems.

 
Great Thunberg has taken a gap year to continue her CC activism. She will be presenting at UN Climate Summits in the US and Chile.

Trouble is "How will she get here ?" She won't fly and cruise ships have a huge carbon footprint so they are out as well. Swim ? Paddle a canoe?

Nah. She will be hitching a ride on a 60 foot racing yacht fitted with solar panels and underwater turbine to generate power... . cool..

Will she be trying to convince Donald Trump of the error of his ways ?

Nuh. To quote
“I have nothing to say to him. He obviously doesn’t listen to the science and the scientists. So why should I, a child with no proper education, be able to convince him?”
https://www.theguardian.com/environ...o-sail-across-atlantic-for-un-climate-summits
 
How serious is Global Warming ? Perhaps this analysis comes close to the truth.
Deep Adaptation
This blog post includes the following:

 
Andrew Bolt is back in business. He has decided Greta Thunburg is too dangerous to be allowed out from where she belongs.

She gave him a neat little backhand return.

Greta Thunberg ✔ @GretaThunberg

I am indeed ”deeply disturbed” about the fact that these hate and conspiracy campaigns are allowed to go on and on and on just because we children communicate and act on the science. Where are the adults?




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It is interesting to reflect on Andrew Bolts repeated climate change denialism and efforts to denigrate Greta Thunberg. In particular he attempts to say she is being used and manipulated by dark forces.

I came across this post from Greta on her Facebook page in Feb this year. It puts the record straight. Greta Thunberg is her own woman.

Greta Thunberg
2 February ·
Recently I’ve seen many rumors circulating about me and enormous amounts of hate. This is no surprise to me. I know that since most people are not aware of the full meaning of the climate crisis (which is understandable since it has never been treated as a crisis) a school strike for the climate would seem very strange to people in general.
So let me make some things clear about my school strike.

In may 2018 I was one of the winners in a writing competition about the environment held by Svenska Dagbladet, a Swedish newspaper. I got my article published and some people contacted me, among others was Bo Thorén from Fossil Free Dalsland. He had some kind of group with people, especially youth, who wanted to do something about the climate crisis.
I had a few phone meetings with other activists. The purpose was to come up with ideas of new projects that would bring attention to the climate crisis. Bo had a few ideas of things we could do. Everything from marches to a loose idea of some kind of a school strike (that school children would do something on the schoolyards or in the classrooms). That idea was inspired by the Parkland Students, who had refused to go to school after the school shootings.
I liked the idea of a school strike. So I developed that idea and tried to get the other young people to join me, but no one was really interested. They thought that a Swedish version of the Zero Hour march was going to have a bigger impact. So I went on planning the school strike all by myself and after that I didn’t participate in any more meetings.

When I told my parents about my plans they weren’t very fond of it. They did not support the idea of school striking and they said that if I were to do this I would have to do it completely by myself and with no support from them.
On the 20 of august I sat down outside the Swedish Parliament. I handed out fliers with a long list of facts about the climate crisis and explanations on why I was striking. The first thing I did was to post on Twitter and Instagram what I was doing and it soon went viral. Then journalists and newspapers started to come. A Swedish entrepreneur and business man active in the climate movement, Ingmar Rentzhog, was among the first to arrive. He spoke with me and took pictures that he posted on Facebook. That was the first time I had ever met or spoken with him. I had not communicated or encountered with him ever before.

Many people love to spread rumors saying that I have people ”behind me” or that I’m being ”paid” or ”used” to do what I’m doing. But there is no one ”behind” me except for myself. My parents were as far from climate activists as possible before I made them aware of the situation.
I am not part of any organization. I sometimes support and cooperate with several NGOs that work with the climate and environment. But I am absolutely independent and I only represent myself. And I do what I do completely for free, I have not received any money or any promise of future payments in any form at all. And nor has anyone linked to me or my family done so.
And of course it will stay this way. I have not met one single climate activist who is fighting for the climate for money. That idea is completely absurd.
Furthermore I only travel with permission from my school and my parents pay for tickets and accommodations.

My family has written a book together about our family and how me and my sister Beata have influenced my parents way of thinking and seeing the world, especially when it comes to the climate. And about our diagnoses.
That book was due to be released in May. But since there was a major disagreement with the book company, we ended up changing to a new publisher and so the book was released in august instead.
Before the book was released my parents made it clear that their possible profits from the book ”Scener ur hjärtat” will be going to 8 different charities working with environment, children with diagnoses and animal rights.

And yes, I write my own speeches. But since I know that what I say is going to reach many, many people I often ask for input. I also have a few scientists that I frequently ask for help on how to express certain complicated matters. I want everything to be absolutely correct so that I don’t spread incorrect facts, or things that can be misunderstood.

Some people mock me for my diagnosis. But Asperger is not a disease, it’s a gift. People also say that since I have Asperger I couldn’t possibly have put myself in this position. But that’s exactly why I did this. Because if I would have been ”normal” and social I would have organized myself in an organisation, or started an organisation by myself. But since I am not that good at socializing I did this instead. I was so frustrated that nothing was being done about the climate crisis and I felt like I had to do something, anything. And sometimes NOT doing things - like just sitting down outside the parliament - speaks much louder than doing things. Just like a whisper sometimes is louder than shouting.

Also there is one complaint that I ”sound and write like an adult”. And to that I can only say; don’t you think that a 16-year old can speak for herself? There’s also some people who say that I oversimplify things. For example when I say that "the climate crisis is a black and white issue”, ”we need to stop the emissions of greenhouse gases” and ”I want you to panic”. But that I only say because it’s true. Yes, the climate crisis is the most complex issue that we have ever faced and it’s going to take everything from our part to ”stop it”. But the solution is black and white; we need to stop the emissions of greenhouse gases.
Because either we limit the warming to 1,5 degrees C over pre industrial levels, or we don’t. Either we reach a tipping point where we start a chain reaction with events way beyond human control, or we don’t. Either we go on as a civilization, or we don’t. There are no gray areas when it comes to survival.
And when I say that I want you to panic I mean that we need to treat the crisis as a crisis. When your house is on fire you don’t sit down and talk about how nice you can rebuild it once you put out the fire. If your house is on fire you run outside and make sure that everyone is out while you call the fire department. That requires some level of panic.

There is one other argument that I can’t do anything about. And that is the fact that I’m ”just a child and we shouldn’t be listening to children.” But that is easily fixed - just start to listen to the rock solid science instead. Because if everyone listened to the scientists and the facts that I constantly refer to - then no one would have to listen to me or any of the other hundreds of thousands of school children on strike for the climate across the world. Then we could all go back to school.
I am just a messenger, and yet I get all this hate. I am not saying anything new, I am just saying what scientists have repeatedly said for decades. And I agree with you, I’m too young to do this. We children shouldn’t have to do this. But since almost no one is doing anything, and our very future is at risk, we feel like we have to continue.


And if you have any other concern or doubt about me, then you can listen to my TED talk ( https://www.ted.com/…/greta_thunberg_the_disarming_…/up-next ), in which I talk about how my interest for the climate and environment began.

And thank you everyone for you kind support! It brings me hope.
/Greta
Ps I was briefly a youth advisor for the board of the non profit foundation “We don’t have time”. It turns out they used my name as part of another branch of their organisation that is a start up business. They have admitted clearly that they did so without the knowledge of me or my family. I no longer have any connection to “We don’t have time”. Nor has anyone in my family. They have deeply apologised and I have accepted their apology.
 
Came across this analysis of the impact of rising sea levels in Florida on insurance and housing.

Obviously 10's of millions of properties around the world will be affected as sea levels rise but it is always instructive to see the consequences on investment markets.

How climate change could spark the next home mortgage disaster

Taxpayers are backing more than a trillion dollars in home mortgages, but the agencies buying them are neglecting to consider climate risks.
www.politico.com
 
Temperatures across Australia are still climbing to new records as a consequence of global heating.
Now the weather reporters on the ABC are adding some CC explanations for the increased temps. Exlains exactly why we are cooking so nicely..

All well and good. Just wondering however when the first calls of "politicization of weather reporting" echo from the bowels of Bolt and News Ltd.

A change in the weather: new demand for TV presenters to include climate in forecasts

The ABC’s Graham Creed says new climate change research could ‘fill a big gap’ in public understanding
www.theguardian.com
 
Investoradam said:
Afterwards he will get in his private jet and fly off to his private island where he will spend his time on his boat!
Like the usual hypocrites
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Yeahbut.... They're getting the message out there.

If we are all messangers, we too can have 100x average carbon footprint lifestyle
 
Investoradam said:
Afterwards he will get in his private jet and fly off to his private island where he will spend his time on his boat!
Like the usual hypocrites
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Really ? Are you Just another climate denial troll investordam trying to win cheap points making totally fatuous comments ?

Just to get to the real point. Do you think CC is a very real problem and that if we want to see any sort of functioning society in the next 30 years we must take huge steps to decarbonise our economies and reduce Greenhouse gases in the atmosphere ?
 
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