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Global Warming - How Valid and Serious?

What do you think of global warming?

  • There is no reliable evidence that indicates global warming (GW)

    Votes: 8 5.2%

  • There is GW, but the manmade contribution is UNPROVEN (brd),- and we should ignore it

    Votes: 12 7.8%

  • Ditto - but we should act to reduce greenhouse gas effects anyway

    Votes: 46 30.1%

  • There is GW, the manmade contribution is PROVEN (brd), and the matter is not urgent

    Votes: 6 3.9%

  • Ditto but corrective global action is a matter of urgency

    Votes: 79 51.6%

  • Other (plus reasons)

    Votes: 7 4.6%
  • Total voters
    153
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Smurf1976 said:
The trouble is, quite simply, that most (all?) scientists involved with climate change research are employed by organizations which depend absolutely on man-made climate change being a major threat / not a threat for their continued survival.
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"organizations which depend absolutely..."??? What organisations are you thinking of? Universities? Nope. CSIRO? Nope. NASA? Nope... That's already a heck of a lot of employing organisations that have plenty of work to do whether or not man-made climate change is a threat. What's more, there would now be immense kudos to any group who could come up with peer-reviewed, good science that strongly challenged the orthodoxy.

You surprised me with this post Smurf. I usually look to you for facts, for which I thank you, not wild generalisations like this. Must have been a cold night in Tassie.

BTW, I *think* I owe you for one of my favourite blogs: http://www.ecogeek.org/. If so, thanks for that too.

Cheers,

Ghoti
 
Pat said:
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What changes do you expect from people Wayne?

Most changes required for us to live "WITH" Mother Nature just aren't feasible yet.
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Living a less crassly consumptive, less glossy magazine, less ego driven, less pseudo mock aristocratic lifestyle would be a start.

Do we really need a McMansion?
Do we really need a new X5 every two years to take the kids to school?
Do we really need a dishwasher?
Do we really need some of the rubbish we buy?

We can live more modestly and not try to look rich.
We can ride a bike or walk and have a modest car for when necessary
We can wash up with a cloth.
We can refrain from consumerist plastic rubbish.

Just use less - resources, energy, water.

It's easy and everybody can do it.

It's not about CO2 (but emissions would certainly reduce), it's about resources, waste and pollution. But people, even the AGW alarmists are not interested in that; the only real solution.

Even those governments levying so-called green taxes aren't interested in that solution because of the current monetary system. It would trash the western economies and probably crash the whole monetary system.

That's why "green taxes" are a farce and a ruse at best and reducing emissions a pipe dream.

That's why I no longer give a #### until I see the klaxons doing something other than making millions by making films and scooping up government research funds and living large (IPCC meetings at tropical resorts anyone?)

Paaaa!!!
 
I might add the REAL changes are held back by the big business, not the gov's, nor the people.
For eg. the electric Car... a perfectly feasible option, they made some, they never took off, they gave it bad publicity, they held back breakthroughs in battery technology. They killed the concept.
 
I think the need for this comes from the media force feeding the shyte eh?
Generation Y are the above, because they've been fed the garbage since day one. Blame whoever but as long as we're told this is "cool" don't blame the people. They're sheep.

You might also find its the so called upper class that contribute more than the smaller money makers. Not many can afford what you've posted above, let alone endulge in it.

I ask what is driving this mentality?
 
Pat said:
You can have dishwasher if it runs on solar power, and your on tankwater
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I get that green power thing so that's taken care of. The water isn't that much of an issue. My dishwasher uses about 14 litres per wash(or so it said on the sticker when we bought it). A full dishwasher load of dishes would require the sink to be refilled half way through if I was washing them manually, so I'd use 10-12 anyway.
 
Not just global warming prohorts that are paid to push a certain agenda, the anti-GW side is being nicely sponsored by Exxon.. No surprise.


http://www.smh.com.au/news/global-w...nge-smokescreen/2008/08/01/1217097533885.html


Blah:


http://www.smh.com.au/news/global-w...nsus-is-growing/2008/08/01/1217097533889.html
 
Fishbulb said:
well, this is as good a way as any to make a first post.

when it comes to the new world religion of global warming, i like to take the stance of skeptic.

- http://antigreen.blogspot.com/
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Ha Fishbulb,
What a great topic you posted on GW. I have been in your skeptic club ever since this ugly GW thing raised its head.
Professor Bob Carter, James Cook Uni. Townsville is of the same opinion.
Hope KRudd and Penny Wong read this article; not that it will make much difference to them for they are hell bent on sending our country down the "gurgler" with cost to the economy and loss of jobs for the "working families" not to memtion the poor old pensioners.
Krudd and Swanie must pleased with the media diversion on Peter Costello as it has taken the attention away from GW FOR A WHILE.
 


I can see your point Wayne because of the above we are pretty much screwed its just not going to change.

Only a pandemic will save the planet but I think culling 2/3's of the current world population would be required.

I just keep thinking that we once lived on Mars but we fu%ked it and had to come to earth..........
 

thanks

and yes, i've read what the unfortunate penny wong has said about co2. laughable if it wasn't so serious. but on the upside the evidence, or lack of - against this new religion is beginning to mount.

i guess i'm ever surprised by human beings.
 
Pat said:
To me it is illogical to go to some extent only to fudge, fake, exaggerate results, just for more funding... funding a lie?
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FYI
 
Its unfortunate that what should be a scientific debate on this forum
and globally has degenerated into a political debate.
 
So_Cynical said:
Its unfortunate that what should be a scientific debate on this forum
and globally has degenerated into a political debate.
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Because that's exactly what it is.

The science is fluffy at best, a hypothesis, not even a genuine theory.
 
Meh.
Same could be said about the web site above. There will always be the crap to sift through.

The climate is changing, we can see it, some scientists measure it, but the only way we will ever be able to tell if it's "warming" is wait'n'see.

I think its a valid debate, with positive out comes. The science is fluffy for all sides of the argument. I guess it makes it more interesting.
 
2020hindsight said:
me too
and the bs they can pedal

Like that site of yours lol. "Greenies hate people" ??
(only selfish ones m8, only selfish ones)
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They would be the ones that preach AGW and expect everyone to change their lifestyles, except them, wouldn't it.

Al Bore comes to mind as selfish.
Perhaps BHP bridge building AGW klaxons as well.
 
wayneL said:
They would be the ones that preach AGW and expect everyone to change their lifestyles, except them, wouldn't it.

Al Bore comes to mind as selfish.
Perhaps BHP bridge building AGW klaxons as well.
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Wayne
you're gonna have to stop getting lost in your Ad hominem sidetracks.
 
2020hindsight said:
Wayne
you're gonna have to stop getting lost in your Ad hominem sidetracks.
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Oh Al can stand up to it with Nobel Peace prize and Oscar in hand... not to mention millions of dollars and an energy hungry mansion and lifestyle.

As for sensitivities to generalities, reactions to having accidentally touched a hypocrite nerve, I can do nothing about.
 
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