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Global Warming - How Valid and Serious?

What do you think of global warming?

  • There is no reliable evidence that indicates global warming (GW)

    Votes: 8 5.2%
  • There is GW, but the manmade contribution is UNPROVEN (brd),- and we should ignore it

    Votes: 12 7.8%
  • Ditto - but we should act to reduce greenhouse gas effects anyway

    Votes: 46 30.1%
  • There is GW, the manmade contribution is PROVEN (brd), and the matter is not urgent

    Votes: 6 3.9%
  • Ditto but corrective global action is a matter of urgency

    Votes: 79 51.6%
  • Other (plus reasons)

    Votes: 7 4.6%

  • Total voters
    153
dj
Summary ;
1. stir indeed m8 lol

2. 145 million years ago to 65 million years ago - pretty difficult to compare Cretaceous and now ,
True there was (slightly) higher temp (5 deg) and (much) higher sea levels – but this needs qualification. (average ocean depth was damn all)

3. sensationalise ?
lol - you saying we might go back to the Cretaceous ? - lol - any comparison is pretty "strange" mate. eg Antarctica Australia and Africa were still joined lol. :eek3:

Also there was a massive amount of luxuriant flora – and no parking lots, nor roads
Only a few peaks of (now) Scotland were then land. Average depth of the ocean was much less. - absolutely no relevance to todays ocean floor or ocean shape.

4. The temperature then was only (about) 5 degrees hotter – about the same as IPCC scenario A1F1

5. balanced? - lol - no way we're going back to the dinosaurs ! - eg Johnny Howard

http://www.bbm.me.uk/portsdown/PH_130_Envmnt.htm





 
PS The end of the Cretaceous spelt the chance for early man to evolve -

PS at least early man was intelligent enough not to stuff up the climate

https://www.aussiestockforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=201409&highlight=dinosaur#post201409

PS how lucky is man that there was an asteroid hit 65 million years ago


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geologic_timescale
 

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Hahaha

All I am saying is that we maybe witnessing some small fluctuations in cycles on earth rather than an impending catastrophe the pollies would have us believe. And everytime they do a "study" on climate change they will compare statistics from the last 50 000 years, the cycles last a lot longer than that.

A good article against global warming here, might be warned though, gets pretty technical in the climate modelling and lingo.

http://www.aps.org/units/fps/newsletters/200807/monckton.cfm

For those who cant be bothered reading or trying to dechipher the article it states that the IPCC have some fundamental flaws in the climate models they have presented, which leads to an exagerated statistics on future climate change. The IPCC presentations have overstatedthe ffects of feedback systems in the earths climate, feedback systems can be negative and positive.

A positive feedback system is one which effects amplify the original impact, like the ice albedo effect, more ice means higher reflectivity (albedo) which means lower regional temperatures which means move ice and so on.

A negative feedback system is one which effects reduce the original impact, a good example here is a thermostat in a house, increase in temperature cause the thermostat to switch the heater off and lets it cool down again.

So anyway, the article states that the IPCC have overstated or over estimated the feedback effects that global warming could cause.
 

small fluctuations ???
I beg to differ mate.
 

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Well said DJ,

If we slow our small animal minds to geological timelines than I find facts that Lake Titicaca (4000m or so above present sea level) was once a salt water sea (now mostly leached away by ice melt).

One wonders as how salt managed to find its way to that great height yet evidence exists that it may be the result of precipitation (of the oceans) after the impact that prompted mans early memory of the great deluge (40 days and 40 nights-big wooden ark etc).

Thats something to ponder.

I find it amusing (and I'm certainly no skeptic) that receding glaciers and snowlines regularly expose evidence of grasses, human remains, civilisation etc etc that clearly exhibit a more temperate time in even our (homo-sapien) short time on earth. Ho Hum
Yet the media shows a clip of a glacier calving and we all ponder immediate and extended self flagellation (sorry had to slip in a catholic reference)

As you mentioned we are overdue for another ice age, so realistically we need to put as much CO2 into the atmosphere as we can (to delay it). However the planets feedback loops will eventually take us back to equilibrium regardless so best start practicing humility and Zen imo

2020,

DJ's not talking about how hot it was last week bro, before the impact that blasted the moon out of the mass of the earth and gave us our astounding angle of rotation and pleasant level of rpm. The planet was an oxygen free boiling mass of not very niceness.
Mankind is hung up on recent memory- Adam and Eve weren't remembered for wearing thermal undies and full kapok were they?
 
You will have to beg, because that graph is totally ludicrous... pulled straight out of someones @rse - laughable.
There was an Ice Age in the 1600s? Gee didn't know that.
 

What this article has done:

At best - Consigned AGW to the rubbish bin.

At worst - Has completely destroyed AGW as a theory and placed it firmly back into the realms of hypothesis, where it always belonged anyway.

One of the tenets of theory is that results must be able to be predicted, based on the theory. This document shows that the IPCC and the AGW hypothesis are completely incapable of predicting anything at all.

The absolutely scandal of the whole deal is that AGW is regarded as fact.

Real dumb!!


True science shines through the dross in the end.
 
You will have to beg, because that graph is totally ludicrous... pulled straight out of someones @rse - laughable.

Actually it was the collective work of a lot of scientists working their buts off ..

Hey - if that graph is news to you , then you didn't even watch that Channel 4 TV doco you posted - started a thread rather - called the Great Global Warming Swindle.. let alone the ABC review of it

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:2000_Year_Temperature_Comparison.png

PS The alarming line - the black graph - was "pulled out of the UK Met bureau's ass" (using the terminology you so pleasantly use to argue your case).

black 1856-2004): Instrumental data was jointly compiled by the w:Climatic Research Unit and the UK Meteorological Office Hadley Centre. Global Annual Average data set TaveGL2v [2] was used.
 

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Read my next post and the rectal origin of that extrapolation you posted will be obvious.
 
Yet the media shows a clip of a glacier calving and we all ponder immediate and extended self flagellation (sorry had to slip in a catholic reference)
What do you ponder jtb, when you see the ice melting? Any sense of loss? Or is it all ridiculous because you read it in the paper and the media put a negative GW spin on it?

FWIW it's kinda sad to see peeps writing off CC (possibly because they are self righteous lounge room asswholes) with no regard to what we may be losing. Ignorant?

Perhaps it’s futile to think we have a chance of changing things. But heaven forbid we think positive and make change for the better.
There are more important reasons to change our ways, CC and GW just add to the argument.... "Why not change for the better???"

Or do some here think the human race is efficient enough?
 
FWIW it's kinda sad to see peeps writing off CC (possibly because they are self righteous lounge room asswholes) with no regard to what we may be losing. Ignorant?

scare tactics like this are what much of the AGW debate is based on. lets stick to facts.

heres an interesting article from someone who has experience in climate science:

 

Pat , lol

dj says that we should put things into perspective by going back to the days when Antartica Australia and Africa were joined ...

jtb wants (I think) to compare when the moon was flung off 4 billion years ago..

Actually I'm damned if I see the relevance in either/any of those comparisons.

Nothing to worry about folks - we've all been here before Ignore the fact that the earth climate is changing at never before dreamed of rates ( short of asteroids and other catastrophies)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicxulub_Crater = dinosaur extinction

http://www.sunysb.edu/research/milestones1/page15/page15.html
the first dating of the age of the Moon - at about 4 billion years - based on the rock samples brought back by the Apollo 11 astronauts, the first humans to walk on the Moon, in July, 1969
 
scare tactics like this are what much of the AGW debate is based on. lets stick to facts.

heres an interesting article from someone who has experience in climate science:
There just aren't enough facts B, only 200yrs worth. My point is, if we can change for the better, and live in a sustainable equlibrium with the environment. Then we should wrok 'harder' towards this.

I certainly agree that the sky is not falling, but the FACT is ice is melting. The world is changing... Facinating
 
Nothing to worry about folks - we've all been here before Ignore the fact that the earth climate is changing at never before dreamed of rates ( short of asteroids and other catastrophies)

really?? source? thats not one of those 'say it and everyone will believe it' type things many agw hypists rely on is it?

in any case, the fact that the climate changes is nothing new. thats what the climate does. its the "A" of the agw that is highly debatable. (although the GW part is quite shakey too)
 
Nothing to worry about folks - we've all been here before Ignore the fact that the earth climate is changing at never before dreamed of rates ( short of asteroids and other catastrophies)
At least nature will survive, thanks Cousteau. These debates reinforce the fact society needs look at things from the future. A hard concept to grasp for most.

So you don't think we contribute? We can make acid fall from the sky! And fly to the moon! But we can't possibly effect the earth's climate. FFS!
 
So you don't think we contribute? We can make acid fall from the sky! And fly to the moon! But we can't possibly effect the earth's climate. FFS!

did you read my article above pat?

heres a snippet for you:

There is no evidence to support the idea that carbon emissions cause significant global warming. None. There is plenty of evidence that global warming has occurred, and theory suggests that carbon emissions should raise temperatures (though by how much is hotly disputed) but there are no observations by anyone that implicate carbon emissions as a significant cause of the recent global warming.
 
really?? source? thats not one of those 'say it and everyone will believe it' type things many agw hypists rely on is it?
-B-
look at the graph in post #1050
see that sharp incline in the graph
that's put out by the UK Met Bureau.
happy now?
 
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