Sorry for the newbie question, GLH released an announcement on the 7/3/2013 10:02:01 AM mentioning of a an earning upgrade I am just trying to understand what and how exactly did the share price increase if it was not driven by volume. There Share Price is .090 after the ann they made, before that it was .025
Announcement - http://www.asx.com.au/asxpdf/20130703/pdf/42gv6kfkx702t7.pdf
Thanks in advance
Ive watched it for ages and and is just too illiquid to touch. Keep in mind it used to be at this price and only about $500 of stock changed hands for it to fall to 2.5c. So theres nobody out there making a killing on those movements.
Would have been a good one for the stock tipping comp....why oh why did I overlook it for another healthcare stock!
Ive watched it for ages and and is just too illiquid to touch. Keep in mind it used to be at this price and only about $500 of stock changed hands for it to fall to 2.5c. So theres nobody out there making a killing on those movements.
Would have been a good one for the stock tipping comp....why oh why did I overlook it for another healthcare stock!
I’ve seen Global Health (GLH) mentioned a lot in the last month or two… so thought I’d take a peek at the financials as on current / forward earnings it didn’t look incredibly expensive at first glance.
The more I ponder these kinds of software companies, the more I seem to realise how hard it is to make reasonable assumptions about the future cashflow.Great unbiased and informative post VES. Have read it a couple of times already
I agree with your statement about R&D not being fully expensed, it does create additional pressure for GLH to generate earnings on this additional capital (or else suffer lower return metrics and face expensing a big wack in a write down). However on the flip side, if you have faith in management you will be confident that the reason the company is comfortable capitalising their R&D is due to their expectation of additional earnings as a result of the "capex".
Your post is terrific as it puts this risk out on the table and forces investors to contemplate how they feel with their judgements on the earnings potential of the R&D.
Perhaps this would be a good question to put to management, especially if they don't start delivering over future reporting periods....
The more I ponder these kinds of software companies, the more I seem to realise how hard it is to make reasonable assumptions about the future cashflow.
The growth vs maintenance distinction is very blurry because of the nature of the capital in their business. Software by definition is almost always finite in nature and should be valued as such… how many pieces of software have you used in your life that have been able to survive over the long-term version after version like clockwork?
I think you'd actually be surprised how much life a company gets out of their corporate, mission critical software. Changes to these software tends to be evoluationary... a patch here, upgrade there, new modules etc.
Believe it or not the major banks still use softwares that have their core from the early 90s. When I opened an account for my company with Westpac last year, the account manager went through no less than 30 screens, re-entering very basic information (like personal particulars) over and over again across multiple systems, with some screen in the old green DOS based interface.
Having said all that, treating R&D spend as expense at all times is no doubt the more conservative way of valuing a company. I think Technology One does that with their spend and is often cited as a well managed company with high quality earnings.
Thanks SKC - in a sense that is exactly what I'm saying, unless GLH is able to build a big premium into the monthly / annual subscription costs and / or get doctors and hospitals to pay this for some indeterminable period when they first sign up, then they will be relying on extracting lumpy cash flow from each new software development cycle to fund the next wave of development and so on to reach long-term profitability. If doctors, like banks, are slow to embrace new technology, but the companies major profitability point is re-inventing its software on a fairly frequent basis (which it appears it is to me), isn't there a conflict in motives that may impact on the long-term sustainability of their business model?I think you'd actually be surprised how much life a company gets out of their corporate, mission critical software. Changes to these software tends to be evoluationary... a patch here, upgrade there, new modules etc.
Believe it or not the major banks still use softwares that have their core from the early 90s. When I opened an account for my company with Westpac last year, the account manager went through no less than 30 screens, re-entering very basic information (like personal particulars) over and over again across multiple systems, with some screen in the old green DOS based interface.
Thanks SKC - in a sense that is exactly what I'm saying, unless GLH is able to build a big premium into the monthly / annual subscription costs and / or get doctors and hospitals to pay this for some indeterminable period when they first sign up, then they will be relying on extracting lumpy cash flow from each new software development cycle to fund the next wave of development and so on to reach long-term profitability. If doctors, like banks, are slow to embrace new technology, but the companies major profitability point is re-inventing its software on a fairly frequent basis (which it appears it is to me), isn't there a conflict in motives that may impact on the long-term sustainability of their business model?
Maybe I'm missing something.
Profitability is chalk and cheese in this company. On-going maintenance revenue provides stable cash flow, but in this and other companies in the same sector, there is no money in it (a look at the revenue split vs fixed cost base confirms this). Its sole purpose is to keep the customer base happy and ensure that they don’t leave due to poor ongoing product satisfaction.
The real cream and where the profitability and much of the risks in this business come from are in the software development cycle. Like all software whether it be Quicken or MS Office, there will be new versions under development and released at regular intervals (say every year or two). The greater the frequency the better, as GLH charges an upfront license fee for each new version of its existing products or each new product it releases.
If you look at the revenue break up in the 2013 annual report, the increase in license fees by 800k over the previous period is where a lot of the profitability growth can be found.
Hi again SKC,
I may be wrong in my posts - it is also possible that the licence fee is received as part of the monthly / annual contract payment in terms of cash flow. Their website seems to indicate this.... apologies if I've misled anyone.
Licence Fees
Initial licence fees are brought to account on the signing of a contract.
Maintenance Fees
Maintenance fees are a non-refundable deferred revenue stream. Clients subscribe to their licences
in advance – ranging from monthly, quarterly, half-yearly to annual payments. They are proportionally
accrued in arrears, at the end of each month. These entitle the customer to a usage licence, help
desk telephone support and rights to extended warranty and product enhancements.
Re maintenance - Nescafe analogy doesn't make sense to me. When you're paying a software company a maintenance cost you're really just outsourcing the IT support for their software to them, rather than doing it yourself. It's their job to make sure they address any issues you have with the ongoing operation of the software and to perhaps provide answers to queries on how best to use it in certain scenarios etc. It's not really a value added product, like buying extra coffee to consume, or extra razors such as the Gillette business model IMO. I realise that that's obviously a matter of opinion.
unless GLH is able to build a big premium into the monthly / annual subscription costs and / or get doctors and hospitals to pay this for some indeterminable period when they first sign up, then they will be relying on extracting lumpy cash flow from each new software development cycle to fund the next wave of development and so on to reach long-term profitability.
I actually have a close friend who works for Argus (a competitor with similar products) that confirmed my suspicions regarding the profitability and function of the maintenance service. He said the money is in developing and selling the product, not offering support for it. Take that with a grain of salt, and DYOR.
SKC - thanks for the robust and friendly discussion.
It's possible that I did misunderstand a few things in terms of the way they are charging for their software. And after reading your post and again consulting the website it appears that you're correct, the customer pays an yearly fee (not sure if timing of payment is monthly instalment or yearly). Which is as you say is probably pretty standard across the board these days in software companies.
I'm still standing by my comments that capitalising the R & D expenses is wrong though because of the nature of the business.
Believe it or not the major banks still use softwares that have their core from the early 90s. When I opened an account for my company with Westpac last year, the account manager went through no less than 30 screens, re-entering very basic information (like personal particulars) over and over again across multiple systems, with some screen in the old green DOS based interface.
I hate paying for blue sky and hope though. So count me out.
In saying the above, getting in when the investment phase is just about to start paying off can be very lucrative - I can attest to that with ALU.
102.5m SOI. Cash US$5m. HY Loss $2.5m. Growing revenue + growing platform software => scale benefits will build if successful. Conclusion: Wait for next result
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