Gillard for PM?

Huitzii · 27 June 2010

Has anyone actually thought that this PM challenge was a complete pre organised show put on for all the suckers out there.
Seriously its the only way that labour would have and could win the next election.
Set Rudd up for the big fall and then send the girl in to clean it up and look pretty.
I don't believe it for a minute that this was not organised at least 2 months ago.
I don't know who I will vote for but I do know that it will be the party that shows the best solution to our nations debt.

Calliope · 27 June 2010

Gillard should be very wary about inviting Rudd into her Cabinet. When he said he had a long memory he wasn't joking.

On the other hand it may be preferable to have him inside the tent pissing out, than outside the tent pissing in.

Julia · 27 June 2010

Calliope said:
Gillard should be very wary about inviting Rudd into her Cabinet. When he said he had a long memory he wasn't joking.

On the other hand it may be preferable to have him inside the tent pissing out, than outside the tent pissing in.

It may make little difference. Malcolm Turnbull is doing a great hatchet job on the Liberal Party, especially on Q & A last week.

K. Rudd would certainly have the type of personality to want revenge imo.
I'd be sorry to see Stephen Smith shafted from the Foreign Affairs role just to make this available to Rudd.

prozac · 27 June 2010

Julia said:
It may make little difference. Malcolm Turnbull is doing a great hatchet job on the Liberal Party, especially on Q & A last week.

K. Rudd would certainly have the type of personality to want revenge imo.
I'd be sorry to see Stephen Smith shafted from the Foreign Affairs role just to make this available to Rudd.

I agree Julia, but have you heard the latest news? This will really crack you up. It is now rumoured he will be Ambassador to China!
Still I don't suppose he will be there long enough to do too much damage.

Wysiwyg · 27 June 2010

Julia said:
K. Rudd would certainly have the type of personality to want revenge imo.

It is disappointing that age doesn't bring wisdom. Unfortunately people carry their nasty traits with them all the way. Maybe they don't know how to change. Maybe they can't see themselves, what they truly are, the third person view.

badger41 · 27 June 2010

If I was Julia, here's what I would do about the RSPT:

1. Announce that the current plan was ill-conceived and will be abandoned, however, negotiations with miners and industry will continue.

2. No legislation to change current mining tax arrangements will be introduced in this, or if re-elected, the next parliamentary term, unless a firm agreement is struck which has the support of the miners.

3. If no agreement is reached, a mining tax regime will be part of Labor's platform for the 2013 election, and it will be up to the public whether they vote for it as part of Labor's election promises. (Not dissimilar to what Howard did to get the GST through).

Badger

Miner · 27 June 2010

Dear Mods

I hope you all are regularly monitoring the posts in this forum including this thread even today is a Sunday.

I noticed in this thread there have been a prolonged exchange between couple of contributors more on personal issues than really contributing towards a healthy debate on Ms Julia Gillard as a PM.

May I request and urge all those detractors please focus on the main topic and not to digress. Nothing personal to any one. But end of the day a non stock related chat forum's discussions should be entertaining and value based for all of us to appreciate each other's views.

Take care and relax

trainspotter · 27 June 2010

badger41 said:
If I was Julia, here's what I would do about the RSPT:

1. Announce that the current plan was ill-conceived and will be abandoned, however, negotiations with miners and industry will continue.

2. No legislation to change current mining tax arrangements will be introduced in this, or if re-elected, the next parliamentary term, unless a firm agreement is struck which has the support of the miners.

3. If no agreement is reached, a mining tax regime will be part of Labor's platform for the 2013 election, and it will be up to the public whether they vote for it as part of Labor's election promises. (Not dissimilar to what Howard did to get the GST through).

Badger

Great post Badger41 ...... your not an adviser to the Labor Party are you? Makes a lot of sense to me. You have my vote.

Julia · 27 June 2010

prozac said:
I agree Julia, but have you heard the latest news? This will really crack you up. It is now rumoured he will be Ambassador to China!
Still I don't suppose he will be there long enough to do too much damage.

Well, that would be an innovative solution: gets him right out of the way but lets him save face. Great idea, except that perhaps the Chinese might not be too keen on having him either following his vitriolic cursing about them which has now done the global rounds.

Wysiwyg said:
It is disappointing that age doesn't bring wisdom. Unfortunately people carry their nasty traits with them all the way. Maybe they don't know how to change. Maybe they can't see themselves, what they truly are, the third person view.

Agree, wysiwyg. Mr Rudd appears to be singularly lacking in insight and to have been simply unwilling to listen to anyone who attempted to suggest this to him.

badger41 said:
If I was Julia, here's what I would do about the RSPT:

1. Announce that the current plan was ill-conceived and will be abandoned, however, negotiations with miners and industry will continue.

2. No legislation to change current mining tax arrangements will be introduced in this, or if re-elected, the next parliamentary term, unless a firm agreement is struck which has the support of the miners.

3. If no agreement is reached, a mining tax regime will be part of Labor's platform for the 2013 election, and it will be up to the public whether they vote for it as part of Labor's election promises. (Not dissimilar to what Howard did to get the GST through).

Badger

Maybe send this suggestion to Ms Gillard, Badger. That's a thoroughly sensible approach and how they should have gone about it in the first place.
Rudd & Co could have saved themselves so much grief, couldn't they!

Logique · 28 June 2010

badger41 said:
If I was Julia, here's what I would do about the RSPT:

1. Announce that the current plan was ill-conceived and will be abandoned, however, negotiations with miners and industry will continue.

2. No legislation to change current mining tax arrangements will be introduced in this, or if re-elected, the next parliamentary term, unless a firm agreement is struck which has the support of the miners.

3. If no agreement is reached, a mining tax regime will be part of Labor's platform for the 2013 election, and it will be up to the public whether they vote for it as part of Labor's election promises. (Not dissimilar to what Howard did to get the GST through).

Badger

I'll add my vote to that also. Well done Badger, and please fire it off to the new PM's office!

nioka · 28 June 2010

badger41 said:
If I was Julia, here's what I would do about the RSPT:

1. Announce that the current plan was ill-conceived and will be abandoned, however, negotiations with miners and industry will continue.

2. No legislation to change current mining tax arrangements will be introduced in this, or if re-elected, the next parliamentary term, unless a firm agreement is struck which has the support of the miners.

3. If no agreement is reached, a mining tax regime will be part of Labor's platform for the 2013 election, and it will be up to the public whether they vote for it as part of Labor's election promises. (Not dissimilar to what Howard did to get the GST through).

Badger

If that were to happen then there is a great big black hole in future budgets. Can you also suggest an alternative source of income. My guess is that Abbott is secretly hoping that it will get up and he will keep it there but Labor will get the blame.

Mofra · 28 June 2010

trainspotter said:
WHEN it comes to asylum seekers, we are all being conned. And it's got to stop.

Not just asylum seekers (the flow of traffic has more to do with the domestic situation in Sri Lanka/Afganistan than anything we do here) - our economic prosperity is largely tied to China's economic performance too, if we politely ignore spending like a drunken sailor on shore leave to avoid a technical recession.

Australian Politicians tend to take far too much credit for events that are outside their sphere of influence.

Moderator · 28 June 2010

Miner said:
Dear Mods

I hope you all are regularly monitoring the posts in this forum including this thread even today is a Sunday.

I noticed in this thread there have been a prolonged exchange between couple of contributors more on personal issues than really contributing towards a healthy debate on Ms Julia Gillard as a PM.

May I request and urge all those detractors please focus on the main topic and not to digress. Nothing personal to any one. But end of the day a non stock related chat forum's discussions should be entertaining and value based for all of us to appreciate each other's views.

Take care and relax

Thank-you Miner. The irrelevant posts with the personal insults and exchanges have been deleted.

trainspotter · 28 June 2010

I wonder if PM Gillard has an employment contract with an unfair dismissal clause? Betcha Kevin Rudd would have like one ! Work Choices doesn't seem so bad now does it?

Tuesday, 16 February 2010 09:27 James Thomson

http://www.smartcompany.com.au/indu...unfair-dismissal-laws-for-small-business.html

However, figures from Fair Work Australia suggest there has been a big jump in the number of unfair dismissal claims being lodged with Fair Work Australia.

Officials told Senate Estimates last week that 5,208 claims were lodged in the second half of 2009, after Labor's new laws came in on July 1. There were 7,994 unfair dismissal claims lodged across the 12 months ended June 30, 2009, which suggests the claim rate is now much higher on an annual basis.

noco · 28 June 2010

nioka said:
If that were to happen then there is a great big black hole in future budgets. Can you also suggest an alternative source of income. My guess is that Abbott is secretly hoping that it will get up and he will keep it there but Labor will get the blame.

Well,that sounds similar to Howards GST, Keating wanted to introduce the GST and Hawke stopped him, so Howard brings the GST and the Labor Party harped on about ever since but they love it. England has 20% VAT. New Zealand 15% GST. You can bet your boots, Labor would love to increase our GST to 15%, but have not got the gutz to do it and if the Coalition win Government at the next election, that is exactly what may have to happen to pay back Labor's $150 billion debt and that will make the Coalition unpopular once again. Even a GST of 12.5% (an increase fo 2.5%) would be equivalnt to the super profit tax on miners.
When the 10% GST was intrduced, the hidden sales tax of from 22.55 to 40% was removed from everything purchased.
Keating increased the S/T on vehicles from 20% to 25% and nobody knew any difference. You now pay 10%. A can of CocoCola had 22.5% S/T; now 10%. Stationery and toilet paper had 33.3% ; now 10%. As was with white goods and many other products we buy.
But do you know something (that qoute sound familiar) when the GST was introduced, the Labor states were supposed to remove all stamp duties on transactions. Guess what? in many cases us 'suckers' are still paying stamp duty on many state Government transactions to this day and nobody complains.
Looks like history repeating itself all over again.

Julia · 28 June 2010

noco said:
that is exactly what may have to happen to pay back Labor's $150 billion debt

Where does this figure come from, noco? The last time I noted the figure (in the past week) it was quoted at $40 billion.

Wysiwyg · 28 June 2010

noco said:
When the 10% GST was intrduced, the hidden sales tax of from 22.55 to 40% was removed from everything purchased.
Keating increased the S/T on vehicles from 20% to 25% and nobody knew any difference. You now pay 10%. A can of CocoCola had 22.5% S/T; now 10%. Stationery and toilet paper had 33.3% ; now 10%. As was with white goods and many other products we buy.

Don't forget the birthday cake man.

Quote
The Hewson GST Birthday Cake meltdown

The 1993 election campaign was the Opposition’s to lose, and as Liberal leader John Hewson did just that. The precise moment when defeat was snatched from the jaws of victory came on Channel Nine’s A Current Affair program when Mike Willesee interviewed Hewson. Willessee asked: “As an example of this, if I buy a birthday cake and GST was in place, do I pay more or less for that birthday cake?” Hewson’s muddled response caused eyes to roll across the length and breadth of the nation. In three short minutes the election was lost.
For some odd reason I have a vision of Hewson rising from his seat and asking his minders, “I think that went well. What do you reckon?”
End Quote

todster · 29 June 2010

noco said:
Well,that sounds similar to Howards GST, Keating wanted to introduce the GST and Hawke stopped him, so Howard brings the GST and the Labor Party harped on about ever since but they love it. England has 20% VAT. New Zealand 15% GST. You can bet your boots, Labor would love to increase our GST to 15%, but have not got the gutz to do it and if the Coalition win Government at the next election, that is exactly what may have to happen to pay back Labor's $150 billion debt and that will make the Coalition unpopular once again. Even a GST of 12.5% (an increase fo 2.5%) would be equivalnt to the super profit tax on miners.
When the 10% GST was intrduced, the hidden sales tax of from 22.55 to 40% was removed from everything purchased.
Keating increased the S/T on vehicles from 20% to 25% and nobody knew any difference. You now pay 10%. A can of CocoCola had 22.5% S/T; now 10%. Stationery and toilet paper had 33.3% ; now 10%. As was with white goods and many other products we buy.
But do you know something (that qoute sound familiar) when the GST was introduced, the Labor states were supposed to remove all stamp duties on transactions. Guess what? in many cases us 'suckers' are still paying stamp duty on many state Government transactions to this day and nobody complains.
Looks like history repeating itself all over again.

And how much tax did we pay for services?

BrightGreenGlow · 29 June 2010

Julia said:
Where does this figure come from, noco? The last time I noted the figure (in the past week) it was quoted at $40 billion.

Ohhh... the $110b difference is what Labor will waste if re-elected....

Good old Labor, fighting for the no-hopers!

springhill · 29 June 2010

Wysiwyg said:
Don't forget the birthday cake man.

Quote
The Hewson GST Birthday Cake meltdown

The 1993 election campaign was the Opposition’s to lose, and as Liberal leader John Hewson did just that. The precise moment when defeat was snatched from the jaws of victory came on Channel Nine’s A Current Affair program when Mike Willesee interviewed Hewson. Willessee asked: “As an example of this, if I buy a birthday cake and GST was in place, do I pay more or less for that birthday cake?” Hewson’s muddled response caused eyes to roll across the length and breadth of the nation. In three short minutes the election was lost.
For some odd reason I have a vision of Hewson rising from his seat and asking his minders, “I think that went well. What do you reckon?”
End Quote

Well, to be honest i understood that quite clearly. Just goes to show what a bunch of nimrods the general uninformed voting public is.
History will repeat this election, the public only see a change in leader of the ALP, which, in their mind anything is better than the cyberdrone Rudd. They won't make the direct correlation that Gillard was AS MUCH at fault as Rudd in the dud policies. No that's to much of a stretch for Joe Public to figure that out, that requires more than 3 brain cells.
Abbott is right, same product different salesman.... it's a shame he's not articulate enough to get the message across.

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