Humans also define what the word gravity means, is gravity a Human construct.
Gravity is universal, do we need a god to define that?
Talk about straw men.
Gravity is a physical process that many different observers will measure the same, and as far as we know the laws of gravity apply everywhere in the Universe (ie Universal).
Morality as you have conceded varies from person to person and is therefore a product of the human mind, and is not universal.
Maybe you should look at your logical fallacies.
Nope, you have got me wrong. Morality doesn't vary from person to person. what people think is moral might, but that doesn't change what the actual most moral choice would be. the fact that the 911 hijackers thought they were behaving morally, doesn't mean they were.
what the actual most moral choice would be
Dear oh dear. You seem to be implying that there is a "universal morality" ? Yes or no ?
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If yes, then who defines this universal morality
As I've asked before and you haven't answered, who says what the "most moral" choice is ?
No one defines it, we discover it over time, through rational thought and an awareness of the consequences of our actions.
Ok, so if we have a gay marriage plebiscite and it goes down, would you agree that it was the most moral action at the time ?
The 'filters' you describe are personal values that are capable of modification due to circumstances.
As I have continually said, morality is not based on popular opinion.
No, I think it's based on your opinion.
I have continually said its not based on any ones opinion, you are the one that thinks its based on group opinion and law, which actually makes we think we are talking about different things.
watch the video I posted, its an intro into the discussion.
In order to convert these set of rules into a morality, they have to be popularly accepted as the right set of rules for defining a moral belief system.
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People don't have to accept these rules, or they may decide to modify them. That's why we have a society and not an autocracy, and that is how laws are created, because a majority think that they are moral laws.
You may want to live by the rules set in that video, if you want others to then you need to sell them to the rest of us.
It comes down to the fact that morality has to been defined by humans according to rules made by humans, morality doesn't just exist all by itself
Morality is quite a simple concept = it's based on hurt.
If it hurts someone's feelings, if it hurts children's innocence, if it steals, if it upsets, etc.
Because of this there is a perpetrator and a victim. It's the degree of suffering we are prepared the victimised to endure that sets the ubiquitous low bar of morality....set it low enough and even the victimised feel victimised they are being redefined as the bullies of those on a lower rung .....human's are so fragile.
.....human's are so fragile.
OK, so you have a couple of blokes sitting around making rules, their rules.
In order to convert these set of rules into a morality, they have to be popularly accepted as the right set of rules for defining a moral belief system.
People don't have to accept these rules, or they may decide to modify them. That's why we have a society and not an autocracy, and that is how laws are created, because a majority think that they are moral laws.
You may want to live by the rules set in that video, if you want others to then you need to sell them to the rest of us.
It comes down to the fact that morality has to been defined by humans according to rules made by humans, morality doesn't just exist all by itself.
well you can't really do that and also considered your stance a moral one.
I guess it would boils down to the Golden Rule - either preached by Jesus or the one by Confucius (and I am sure by many other philosophers) - that to not do unto others what you do not wish unto yourself.
nope, it exists independently, its just our job to try and figure out what it is and make our rules and decisions as close to it as possible. just like gravity can be defined by humans, but our definition doesn't change the physics of it.
Well I think I can because I'm more concerned with children being deprived of biological parents that match the child's own sexuality and their consequent deprivation of the understanding of what it means to be heterosexual and be raised by your biological parents than I am with adults using the children to try and prove that they (the adults) are something they aren't.
Yes I can certainly agree with that Golden Rule. As a heterosexual I definitely would not want to be raised by gays and so I would not want to wish that on others either.
But you can't Rumpole.
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