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Don't know what other posters understand but one of the overwhelming problems facing young people and I think the broader community is a very unhealthy addiction to online pr0n. Free. Easily accessible. Private.

There has been plenty of evidence that young children and teenagers have become badly warped through access to pr0n. Billie Eilish publicly and graphically opened this can of worms in 2021 when she said how screwed up she was after being exposed to violent pr0n from 11 onwards.

This essay explores how one person has created a very effective response to protecting children from online pr0n. Worth a think.

The Woman Who Stood Up to the pr0n Industry—and Won


Louisiana legislator Laurie Schlegel wanted pr0n websites to do more to protect her state’s children. Now her law is the blueprint for the rest of the country.


......What she has since achieved—after two years in office—has made international news. Not only has Schlegel curbed the billion-dollar online pr0n industry for the first time in history, forcing websites to protect kids in Louisiana and pull out of at least three U.S. states, she has offered a legislative blueprint for others across the country.

“I am truly humbled to see that we began a movement that has swept the country and began a long overdue conversation about how we can protect kids from hardcore pornography,” she says.

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Schlegel’s crusade started back in December 2021. She had listened to The Howard Stern Show and 21-year-old pop sensation Billie Eilish talking about online pr0n. Eilish told Stern that she began watching “abusive” images at the age of 11, and that this had warped her sense of how to behave during sex and what women’s bodies look like.

“No vagina looks like this,” Eilish told Stern. “I feel incredibly devastated that I was exposed to so much pr0n.”

Schlegel was struck by Eilish’s openness, that she was “just a young girl being vulnerable enough to share those details with the world.”

The singer’s story also chimed with Schlegel’s professional experience both as a sex addiction therapist and a court-appointed special advocate for abused and neglected children in the foster care system. She knew the issues facing young clients raised on unlimited free online pr0n—the decoupling of intimacy from sex; the inability to get aroused without pr0n playing in the background; a warped idea of what your partner actually wants.

“If you’ve never had your first kiss but you’ve seen hardcore pornography, it’s going to mold the way you view sexuality,” Schlegel said. “You’re not dealing with a fully formed adult brain that's like, ‘Oh, so I shouldn’t strangle my partner?’ ”

If Schlegel understood the damage pornography causes, she also knew how easy it is for children to access it. And she realized that now she was a state legislator, she was uniquely positioned to do something about it.

https://www.thefp.com/p/laurie-schl...47&post_id=137240891&isFreemail=true&r=21at6c
https://www.theguardian.com/music/2...0n-gave-her-nightmares-and-destroyed-my-brain

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You will have to go to the webs sites to read the full story. The URl seemed to be corrupted.
 
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I blame women.

As long as one has men waking up near dawn with a stiffie, and a partner more interested in sleep than wild abandoned sex, you will find that they will seek other means to evoke reasonable perceptions and relief.

If women were more attuned to men's needs the world would be a better place.

And you will not find that view in the Guardian neither, a man-hating rag if there was ever one.

gg
 
Hmmm GG. A few points

1) Not sure why you wanted to trash The Guardian. The story wasn't published there so I fail to see the connection.

2) The main story wasn't about trashing xorn as such. It was about the effect of xorn on children and teenagers and taking steps to limit their exposure. The women who started the campaign had extensive experience in dealing with sex addiction including young people.

3) Do you think only men become interested in/fixated/affected by xorn ? The two examples cited in the story were young girls. :cautious:
 
Hmmm GG. A few points

1) Not sure why you wanted to trash The Guardian. The story wasn't published there so I fail to see the connection.

2) The main story wasn't about trashing xorn as such. It was about the effect of xorn on children and teenagers and taking steps to limit their exposure. The women who started the campaign had extensive experience in dealing with sex addiction including young people.

3) Do you think only men become interested in/fixated/affected by xorn ? The two examples cited in the story were young girls. :cautious:
My apologies @basilio .

gg
 
No idea why people want to control other people all the time.
Peeping into their private lives. Really perverted. Imposing their morales on others. very elitist.

I am ➡️🚪
 
No idea why people want to control other people all the time.
Peeping into their private lives. Really perverted. Imposing their morales on others. very elitist.

I am ➡️🚪
Did you read the article UMike ? At all ? Do you know what it was about ?

Nothing you said relates to the proposal to limit children under 18 from accessing on line xorn . And it certainly doesn't acknowledge the damage that is happening to children as a consequence of having their developing sexuality defined by some of the grossest images/stories imaginable.
 
Did you read the article UMike ? At all ? Do you know what it was about ?

Nothing you said relates to the proposal to limit children under 18 from accessing on line xorn . And it certainly doesn't acknowledge the damage that is happening to children as a consequence of having their developing sexuality defined by some of the grossest images/stories imaginable.

How would age be checked for internet access ?
 
How would age be checked for internet access ?
There is a lot of focus in early primary school on sexuality, gender, gender indentification etc, it will be difficult to curb curiosity, when you are actively promoting it.
It wasn't long ago, 6 and 7 year olds were interested in riding bikes, kicking a footy, playing marbles and there were a couple of kids in the class who were sexually aware.
Now we have most being sexually aware and a couple of kids in the class interested in riding bikes and kicking a footy, but we are doing a great job. :roflmao:
 
There is a lot of focus in early primary school on sexuality, gender, gender indentification etc, it will be difficult to curb curiosity, when you are actively promoting it.
It wasn't long ago, 6 and 7 year olds were interested in riding bikes, kicking a footy, playing marbles and there were a couple of kids in the class who were sexually aware.
Now we have most being sexually aware and a couple of kids in the class interested in riding bikes and kicking a footy, but we are doing a great job. :roflmao:
Times have changed. :cool:

Can't remember what I was doing in primary school, but I was no Russel Brand. ;)
 
Did you read the article UMike ? At all ? Do you know what it was about ?

Nothing you said relates to the proposal to limit children under 18 from accessing on line xorn . And it certainly doesn't acknowledge the damage that is happening to children as a consequence of having their developing sexuality defined by some of the grossest images/stories imaginable.
I do feel quite guilty as I commented without reading it.

What is gross about sex anyway?. Also what makes pr0n worse than the endless amount of violence in movies, games ect.?
Who dictates at what age people can do what?

You Probably defend people campaigning to mutilating themselves to change sex.
 
How would age be checked for internet access ?

The writer made the point that no one under 18 would be allowed into an adult book store. That is just current law . So why the pree pass for online access .
This was the age check they finally introduced for their legislation. It offers effective but anonymous proof of being over 18.


There was also the technical question of how exactly to verify someone’s age online. During the pandemic, an electronic age verification system, called LA Wallet, had been authorized to accept digital driver’s licenses and ID cards as legitimate forms of identification in Louisiana. After getting assurances that LA Wallet could provide the technology to “verify someone’s age without giving any other identifying information,” Schlegel crafted Louisiana House Bill 142.

The legislation requires online publishers of pr0n sites to require age verification, via an LA Wallet program called VerifyYou Pro, Anonymous edition, that users are over 18.

By February, Schlegel had introduced the legislation in the lower chamber. HB-142 sailed through the Louisiana House (96–1) and State Senate (34–0) in June 2022. And when the law went into effect this past January, Pornhub, the world’s largest pr0n site, lost 80 percent of its traffic in Louisiana.
 
I do feel quite guilty as I commented without reading it.

What is gross about sex anyway?. Also what makes pr0n worse than the endless amount of violence in movies, games ect.?
Who dictates at what age people can do what?

You Probably defend people campaigning to mutilating themselves to change sex.

So did you read the article UMike ? The issue is about the proven effect of xorn on young children. Did you read the story of Billie Eilish ? On The Free Press website they also noted another essay by a 16 year girl explaining the effect exposure to xorn had on her. Again quite powerful.

What is gross about sex ? It all depends on what sort of "sex" one is talking about. For example there are sex education books directed at young people that are frank and explicit without being purient.

And then there is what is currently on the to do list of pr0n sites. If you read the article you can check out the graphic titles of the videos Schlegel had noted. If you haven't seen any xorn for 40 years and want to understand what kids are seeing just punch in xxx xorn. That is how easy it is to access anything.

 
Hmmm GG. A few points

1) Not sure why you wanted to trash The Guardian. The story wasn't published there so I fail to see the connection.

2) The main story wasn't about trashing xorn as such. It was about the effect of xorn on children and teenagers and taking steps to limit their exposure. The women who started the campaign had extensive experience in dealing with sex addiction including young people.

3) Do you think only men become interested in/fixated/affected by xorn ? The two examples cited in the story were young girls. :cautious:
I've read about some really horrific stories that have come out from the industry within the actors themselves committing suicide from drug use, family and friends abandonment. How it shapes the younger generations has consequences also, when I was a young lad kinky sex was limited to the backdoor passage but these days it has a whole new meaning. There have been a few studies done and many like to reenact what they see in current-day pron but which do you blame, the gun or the person that pulls the trigger, or both?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-02-05/last-days-of-august-jon-ronson-august-ames-suicide-/10778176
 
For a while , until the hackers get to it.

Maybe they should just shut down the sites. (If they can).

Shutting the sites down is not going to happen. Hackers ? The theory is that the particular website only has a name and statement of being over 18. That means that a xporn site only knows the person entering their information is legal.
Its not fool proof by any means but it certainly stops the total free access to these sites. That means kids can't just deliberately or accidentally find themselves in a xporn site.

It has also had a striking effect on adult use of Pooorn Hub. As noted they have faced a 80% drop in traffic since the legislation. Obviously most people don't want to go through an identity process

Poooron Hub had some serious problems with underage kids posting videos . They also had little supervision. Caused a serious ruckus

 
My personal view is given the age of consent is 16 in most Australian states, any notion that such websites be 18+ is not just unrealistic but outright harmful.

"Babying" teenagers never ends well, it's a red flag to a bull basically. I'd set the age limit at 15 personally with that in mind. Prohibition doesn't work and the surest way to make something attractive to teenagers is to ban it.

Shutting sites down won't work but one idea that does come to mind is to filter the internet outright for children. Make it a requirement for internet providers to offer a "clean" service for children and an "unfiltered" one for adults. Imperfect but it would give parents a fair bit of control to just block adult content by virtue of signing up for the appropriate service.

In principle I'm against censorship but practically that might be a reasonable middle ground.

I would however not set the "child" age to be under-18. I'd set it to be under-15 in line with the MA15+ classification that exists for movies etc and the practical realities that 17 is just too old to be considering someone a child. :2twocents
 
I've read about some really horrific stories that have come out from the industry within the actors themselves committing suicide from drug use, family and friends abandonment.
I've had zero involvement with it personally but from a few conversations with those who have, it seems any aspect of the entertainment industry takes a huge toll on those involved.

It's not lack of talent that sees most bands, singers and aspiring actors disappear pretty quickly and creates a plethora of one hit wonders. Rather it's the nature of the industry itself and that it burns people up and spits them out. Add sex into the mix and that's going to take that underlying problem and magnify it ten fold.

For those watching well the obvious problem is a lot of young people without a practical reference point just don't grasp that what they're watching is not at all like what the average couple's actually going to do in the bedroom. It's the sex equivalent of watching Top Gear in its heyday and thinking this represents normal driving or indeed normal anything, failing to grasp that it's intentionally ridiculous and purely for entertainment not to be taken seriously.

I suspect there's more than a few teenagers not grasping that point. Not grasping that what they're watching is by no means a "how to" and isn't recommended. :2twocents
 
Just a question, have the pearl clutchers here perused the essentially p0rn0gr4phic books our (the west in general) schools promote to young children?

As much as I may agree with the point, until this is addressed, people like OP should STFU and contemplate on their monumental hypocrisy.
 
Just a question, have the pearl clutchers here perused the essentially p0rn0gr4phic books our (the west in general) schools promote to young children?

As much as I may agree with the point, until this is addressed, people like OP should STFU and contemplate on their monumental hypocrisy.
Don't know about what books are in schools these days, but there is a difference between "education" and violent pawnography with exploitation that apparently is available on the Internet.
 
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