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For the under 30s - how I got my house

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I posted this on a thread about baby boomers, but then I thought it might be of interest to some Gen Ys and younger Xs that may not read the thread.

I bought/built a house in late 2002/early 2003, and have paid it off. This is how I did it. As prices have gone up a bit where I am (SE Qld) since then, it might take you another year (or you could just have a small mortgage).

Pretty much anyone with an education/trade could do this. You can't be too risk averse.

I'm 33, classic X-er, spent all my money in my early 20s and racked up the credit card debts. I discovered early on that I am a terrible saver, but am quite good at paying off debt when required.

I went to London, got a job, and lived pretty cheap (plenty of people live cheaper) I worked as an accountant, boring as hell but good money.

I discovered early on that I am a terrible saver, but am quite good at paying off debt when required. So instead of trying to save a deposit (which required self-discipline), I got some credit cards (so easy to do in the UK) and cash advanced GBP30k. (Yes it took a while!) Then I switched to new cards every 6 months and kept balance transferring to new 0% intro deals so I didn't have to pay interest.

With that A$75k I bought a block of land on the NSW far north coast, not on the beach, a not particularly fashionable area. This is what I could afford. I was earning GPB52k/year so I paid off the land in just over 12 months (here doing the same job I would earn about A$70k so that gives you some idea of the better money that can be made in London in some (not all) professions).

After the first year (A$75k paid, land owned), I did the same cash advance thing again. So I had A$75k in cash to start building a house, and I got an Australian mortgage for $75k. My dad did the owner-building thing and we used every mate and mate's mate and cost cutting exercise we could to build a 2 story brick 4 bed 2 bath house for about $145k.

I also bought a tiny flat in London on a 100% UK mortgage, renovated from 6pm to 1am every day for 4 weeks, and sold it for about A$60k profit. I found the buying/selling costs in the UK to be lower than here so doing a turnaround on a cheap property easier to do than here.

I paid off the UK credit cards in the second year, then moved back to Oz in 2005. I didn't like being an accountant (being an X-er - you know we don't like to stick to anything LOL!) so I borrowed A$100k against the house and started a bar - it wasn't rocket science, anyone could do it, but it was long hours and hard work. I sold it after a year for $300k.

So now I have paid off the house and have $100k. (Mind you, I still rent myself as it's cheaper than owning in my chosen suburb LOL!)

I don't relate the above to show how amazingly sensational I am, far from it, I am fairly ordinary (albiet having a uni education).

I relate it to show how easy it is to do. Being a an 'in demand' profession in the UK helps, but there are lots of them - accounting, IT, plumber (pretty much any trade). I know a lot of people working in finance/accounting/business jobs who don't have those quals - there are plenty of jobs in not so nice areas that pay well which the more qualified won't do - in fact my first job was one of these. Science types might struggle same as they do here.

Hope this is useful to someone who thinks a property is out of their reach - it's not.

Riesling
 
Excellent strategy! I too am gen x and have my own house which is worth 3 x the mortgage. My sister is gen y and is building a house. Most of her friends own houses or units and all nearly all the people I know that are considered gen x have a house or townhouse. My parents are boomers and have had to work alot harder than me and my sister to get to the comfortable position they are now in. The people who are complaining about greedy boomers stealing their future properties are in the minority, but as it goes, the minority always squawk the loudest, the rest of us just get on with it!
 
Riesling, much work for doctors over there? my missus is going to become one and we want to go over there at some stage as shes got extended family there.

deadcat, I second what you said.

cheers
 
The Mint Man said:
Riesling, much work for doctors over there? my missus is going to become one and we want to go over there at some stage as shes got extended family there.

deadcat, I second what you said.

cheers

Theres work for everyone in London, I imagine Doctors there would rake in big money but remember London is expensive, I lived there a decade ago and we rented a 2 bedroom apartment in a very ordinary suburb and that cost the equivalent of $3k a month.

Aussies and Kiwis generally had rentals where stacks of them lived in the same place to keep the costs down.

I actually knew a guy that just moved into some rundown mansion and because of Squatters rights laws over there just stayed there with a bunch of other people free !! They couldnt get booted out by law and the room he stayed in was larger than my whole apartment lol.

Anyway i dont know what its like now for London rent i assume its alot worse than before, but if you dont mind sharing with a bunch of people youll do ok!
 
Agreed that it is quite possible to buy property.

But it always amazes me that we can discuss stock XYZ, say it's trading at a highly overvalued level based on earnings and likely to fall in price and nobody gets particularly emotional about it.

But point out that real estate is trading at very valuation levels relative to earnings or affordability and we get all this discussion about generations, how you CAN afford a house and so on. Few seem able to actually discuss the state of the RE market itself.

Just look at all the threads we've had on ASF - they all end up focusing on things other than the RE market itself. And yet the same people posting on those threads have no problem objectively assessing the future price direction of a stock whether that be up or down.

Witness the near panic when the ASX takes a dip. And yet the recent falls in the ASX are trivial compared to the far larger % falls in Sydney house prices. But few are even willing to acknowledge that house prices actually could fall. "It always goes up in the long term" we hear. But so does the ASX. And yet the reaction to falls in one is totally different to falls in the other. :2twocents
 
Congratulations on a very positive forum.

My two children both bought homes in NSW before 30 and on 1 wage. To do that they worked every weekend (except A/L) for about 12 years. I know that is hard to do when you are young especially with the hangovers, it is just something that you have to make yourself do. The first house is the hardest.
 
What are the age brackets for GenX and GenY?

And Riesling - well done, you did well, you were willing to work hard when young and sacrifice to live more comfortable later on. I very much plan on doing the same.
 
Smurf, I don't really understand where you are coming from. I don't feel emotional over my property, it is a roof over my head and I prefer to pay my own mortgage instead of renting and paying off someone else's mortgage. I did not start out buying the house I wanted. I bought an old rundown house in an area that was cheaper that was spending on infrastructure and development. After spending a few years in my crappy house and gradually renovating it, I was able to sell it at a profit and move on to a bit better home in a better area. The market is flat at the moment and will probably drop further which is fine by me, I just want somewhere to live. I certainly don't have the intention to trade real estate the same way I trade shares.
 
Beg, borrow and buy a house as now is the time to do so. If you can afford a $600,000+ house go for it. Sell everything you have and go ahead and do it. " He who hesitates is lost" - now is the time, believe you me.
 
Nizar - thanks, but I don't feel like I've sacrificed anything. I like travelling, eating and drinking, and I spend (and always have) a lot of cash doing those things, especially while I was in London. Aside from the renovating, I've never done two jobs. I worked long hours when I owned the bar, but it wasn't stressful work.

The things I don't spend money on (and never have) are cars and media stuff (plasmas, Xboxes, DVDs etc), and posh home stuff - reason being I like going out a lot so am not home much, and I always drink so I never drive! :) I absolutely could never fathom spending $30-$60k on a new car. But that's just personal preference and not to knock those who do.

R
 
I'm in the Uk right now, unless you are on a decent wage like Reisling, you will struggle. Rents are unbelivably high, me and my boyfriend are sharing a room and its costing us £500 a month in an ordinary suburb sharing with 4 other people. I agree there jobs everywhere here but unless you are a professional, its not worth staying here for the long term.
 
darian said:
I'm in the Uk right now, unless you are on a decent wage like Reisling, you will struggle. Rents are unbelivably high, me and my boyfriend are sharing a room and its costing us £500 a month in an ordinary suburb sharing with 4 other people. I agree there jobs everywhere here but unless you are a professional, its not worth staying here for the long term.

5oo for a room? which suburb?
 
Forgot to mention Im in the Y generation, currently travelling all over the place, shopping and eating out but I still have a decent chunk of savings in my bank account that will allow me to pay for the deposit for 2 houses. It all comes down to being responsible with your spending and learning how to save at an early age. People that winge are those in denial and doesn't have the courage to live up to a change. Life is not meant to be easy, I wasn't born rich but I'm still what I am today. Life is what you make of it, so start doing something about it!!!
 
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