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Flood Levy - Do you agree?

What do yo think of the Gillard flood levy?

  • I agree with the flood levy and the current level seems right

    Votes: 24 21.2%
  • I agree with the flood levy but the current level is too low

    Votes: 2 1.8%
  • I agree with the flood levy but the current level is too high

    Votes: 3 2.7%
  • I disagree with the flood levy

    Votes: 84 74.3%

  • Total voters
    113
Agree absolutely on both counts.
Just watching him on the 7.30 Report last night, I felt quite sick thinking this is the best the Libs have to offer. He's just abysmally devoid of any leadership quality.
 
Annual tax revenues project $348 billion for next year

Rebuilding task is estimated at $5.6 billion

Levy is $1.8 billion

The response still baffles me
 
Michael Pascoe has a good summery

"Gillard's weak politics let canards fly "


Gillard needs to start kicking heads

 
Annual tax revenues project $348 billion for next year

Rebuilding task is estimated at $5.6 billion

Levy is $1.8 billion

The response still baffles me

Really? Baffles you? Easily baffled you are.

I am baffled that you are willing to front money that Govt could probably shake loose from it's pocket simply by cancelling all propaganda spending for 1 month.

The attitude of some seems to be "Just lie down and accept it, because after all it's only a pound of flesh, who cares, right?".

Fact is we already have politicians (Dubbo, this morning?) saying they want the levy to be permanent.

Fact is Govt is saying today that rather than tighten their own belts they would rather hit the most fragile and overleveraged section of the Australian economy (household spending) with a tax slug on precisely those with the disposable income required to restart domestic consumption demand!

Fact is, it rained and Govt doesn't even have a measly 0.5% of tax revenues from last year to pay for umbrellas.

EDIT: IFocus selectively quoting Michael Pascoe, why don't you link the article so readers can make up their own minds and read the links that Michael has provided to Jessica Irvines article?
http://www.smh.com.au/business/gillards-weak-politics-let-canards-fly-20110128-1a7g5.html
http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/polit...e-come-hell-or-high-water-20110127-1a6s4.html
 

It was plenty clarified on this thread --> https://www.aussiestockforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21087&pagenumber=

Australia is a Common Law country. Statutes and Acts are not laws, but are simply "company" rules and are given the force of law - provided you have consented. Consent is usually automatically obtained (without your knowledge in most cases) in many unique and colourful ways.

Sinner, it's interesting that you screamed "hogwash" without the slightest investigation yourself - sorry that this knowledge isn't front page to make it more obvious for people like yourself.

So I'll re-state what I said before, for those who do not wish to pay the levy you don't have to.
 
So I'll re-state what I said before, for those who do not wish to pay the levy you don't have to.

So hypothetically, how does one not pay for it if they wish to receive the rest of their tax refund? Or should we just ask our employer to not tax us and then not submit a return?

I am actually interested in this side of things, because apparently it is similar in the USA although of course the govs wont acknowledge it
 

Of course why I examined your totally unrelated thread from 2 months ago in depth before claiming your statement was hogwash.

Didn't scream, saw an unfounded statement and challenged it.

Well aware of the bunch of kooks all over the Anglo world who think they can use Common Law to circumvent a system that has been set to break people of exactly that ilk.

Having been involved in multiple actual actions in actual courtrooms of attempted use of Common Law in relation to Australian and International Law across a variety of issues and jurisdictions, I am happy to ignore blather from those without evidence.

Wake me up when you have proof that you avoided paying the levy by withholding consent. I bet you don't pay GST either.

Hell I would be interested to see any proof you have of any successful personal application of Common Law.
 

Oversight on my part about the link

I thought the whole lot was very good as it covered all the points from most angles.........still baffled about the squealing.

Fact is the levy approach is conservative.


Any way need to start talking about the second levy.............LOLROTF


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If flood levy was collected to increase dam size to prevent future floods or to fund re-location of possible future victims it is not bad.

But giving handout to those affected will do few bad things:

1. Less and less possible that future victims will decide to insure their property. (Why bother if will be helped anyway?)
2. Many people will take this as incentive to stay where they are.
3. Government might “forget” what the levy was introduced for and play silly buggers for yonks and use funds for whatever.

I think petrol 3+3 levy is one on-going example.
 
Oversight on my part about the link

I thought the whole lot was very good as it covered all the points from most angles.........still baffled about the squealing.

Fact is the levy approach is conservative.

Conservative compared to what? Just printing the money out of thin air and spending it? After all, it's only 1.8bio like you said!

Any way need to start talking about the second levy.............LOLROTF


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That is the point, exactly 100%!

Can we expect a new levy every disaster now? What happened to the money I pay in taxes which is supposed to be put aside for rainy days? Or don't we have that anymore? Do we really as a country with 1 trillion a year GDP have not a single dollar saved up for national emergency? Need to cut spending and increase taxes every time?

Fine, let's streamline the whole process and have "just in time taxing" where the Government taxes you right when they need to pay a bill.

How come they don't decrease taxes when times are good then?
 

You may have missed this bit from Michael Pascoe talking about taxes


http://www.smh.com.au/business/gillards-weak-politics-let-canards-fly-20110128-1a7g5.html


The rainy day thing a number of people raise where in the budget papers is this?
 
... Do we really as a country with 1 trillion a year GDP have not a single dollar saved up for national emergency? ....

Good start would be single Government for whole Australia.

No 7 Governors, 7 Premiers and 7 sizeable State Parliaments
 
Good start would be single Government for whole Australia.

Only way this would work imo is with "weighted votes" otherwise smaller country and rural areas would be totally forgotten about to grab city votes. Unless government is still formed on the basis of certain seats in each area of course but then areas may need to be re-adjusted to include similar populations.
 
Ms Gillard says that a soldier called Mick Slater will chair a committee that decides how to spend the levy. Slater seems like a nice little fellow and says all the right things, but no matter what the committee decides it will be bureaucrats who decide how the money is allocated.

Labor bureaucrats have a shocking history of project management. They should co-opt someone from the waste management business.
 

I'd agree with you on most of the above, C, however Mick Slater served some years in Townsville and I know for a fact he does not suffer fools gladly, an example being how he flagged to the media, a hands off approach to the Floods.

Let us see which Labor flunkie is appointed to "deliver" all the tax revenue. Probably someone who has resigned from the NSW Parliament.

gg

gg
 

He is punching way above his weight . Afghanistan would be a cake walk compared to the political minefield he has been thrown into.

I noticed on the ABC news that Gillard has included an uncomfortable looking Mick Slater in her travelling entourage to sell the levy.
 
How big is the tribe?

Our family including relations, our suburb, our town, our state, our country or the worldly population? Usually human tribe members help each other out in times of distress as do other herding animals. However, when the floods in Brazil struck recently did Australians care? When the Victorian fires destroyed property and took lives did everyone care beyond feeling a passing sad thought for that event? Did anyone have a passing thought for the Carnarvon victims of flooding?

To me, if a cyclone, fire or flood directly affects my family or town I would give freely but the further away emotionally or geographically these events happen then I feel less affinity to those "experiencing" them.

Does that make sense.
 
How big is the tribe?
Does that make sense.

Yes it does. Last years's floods in Pakistan were so devastating as to dwarf the Qld floods in loss of life, and destruction of property and hope for the future. It was largely ignored by posters on this forum and Australians in general. Their Indian neighbours offered no help...different tribes I guess.

As I posted at the time;

 

and for the latest figures on national debt ..

http://www.debtclock.com.au/index.html

It appears you are correct, Australia doesnt have a dollar to its name ... just a lot of debt.

There are arguments for and against the levy, myself, i think taxpayer money (our money) that is currently being used on other projects can be redirected for the rebuilding effort. I think rebalancing the budget for the flood rebuilding can surely be done without missing too much. For example: Maybe the military will just have to do without the F35's for awhile ........ what a pity that would be
 
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