Whats all the fuss about.
A couple of Hundred bucks.
I certainly supported the fund raising and Ill pay a levy.
The floods are a disaster yes. I am more than happy to do my bit to help with this national disaster.
HOWEVER, a great many people have commented over the past few years that this government was failing to set aside money "just in case" something bad happened. That comment has been made on various threads on ASF over the years and elsewhere.
As anyone with a bit of sense knows, sooner or later something goes wrong. You just don't get a run of constant good luck.
If it hadn't been a flood in Qld then it could have been an earthquake in NSW, fires in Vic / Tas / SA, some sort of disaster involving key critical infrastructure, terrorism, drought or whatever. Sooner or later, something is pretty certain to go wrong and that is why you put money aside to be able to cope when it does.
I'm happy to help the people in Qld just like I would be happy to help the people in NSW, ACT, Vic, SA, WA or NT and hopefully the favour would be returned if something drastic ever happens here in Tas. But I object absolutely to being asked to bail out a government which failed to plan for the inevitability that sooner or later, some sort of disaster would happen somewhere in Australia.
Floods, droughts, fires and so on are things that we all know happens from time to time and for which money should already have been set aside.
I'm not sure what all the fuss is about. We, ASFers, are amongst the richest people in the whole world, living in a remarkable extreme land. So what if we are slugged a once off $50-$200. I doubt if anybody here would really miss this amount.
I think this sums up how many of us feel, i.e. we wouldn't object to the levy if it were imposed by a government who had been financially responsible. Obviously the actual amount imposed is not the issue.All I can say is I'm glad I never donate any money, had labor not thrown money around like its confetti I wouldn't mind so much with a levy but then there probably wouldn't be any reason for one. :angry:
Exactly.I think your confusing the disaster with the flood levy, i think everybody accepts its a huge disaster.
What i don’t agree with is paying a tax so Gillard doesn’t have to cut programs like those promised to independents for example. If they had to cut programs then the Independents would want to come back to the negotiating table.
This is much more a political game than anything to do with helping people.
Again, correct.Not happy Jan... where am I meant to find over $1000 ???
I have no issue with paying a once off levy to help out the flood victims, the issue I have is they will raise how ever many billions of $ and end up wasting most of it anyway./..... If I was confident on the financial skills of the current government I would certainly have a different opinion.
Yep, moral hazard again indeed.Just another brick in the wall of moral hazard - don't need insurance now, just get a handout/bailout!
As long as they all get a new flat screen TV I guess?
That was the last nail in this gov's coffin for me!
I don't think the issue is simply gender. Rather the quality of the person. Tony Abbott is male. I don't think that automatically makes him more competent to lead Australia. Turnbull had his chance and blew it dramatically.Local councils and their buddies the property developers are entirely to blame. They allowed people to build when they knew the lie of the land. Nothing to do with Gillard. She's picking up the pieces as best she knows how. Turnbull will make some sort of move for top office soon and the whole country will sigh relief. Men generally make better leaders, and the more old fashioned and blue-blood, the better.:
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Typical response from a fair proportion on ASFers.
Bring on a levy. At least it will make the mean heads help. Remember it is better that some get helped that did not need help than not help some that really need our help. It appears that some are more interested in saving a whale, a dog or a flying fox than helping some human being. That hip pocket nerve again!!!!!!!
Bye Bye
I am amazed and apalled at the level of selfishness displayed by many of the previous posters. So many of whom consider themselves to be expert traders making a fortune through the various markets.
I am ashamed at the depth of selfishness and resentment expressed by some, in being expected to cough up what would be a pittance in the overall wealth they generate each year, for the purpose of fast tracking the rebuilding of infrastructure in flood effected areas.
I find it contemptable, the finger pointing blame game for political parties not having a contingency plan in place to deal with a 100 year or 200 year flood as if this could be expected, planned for etc.
The hypocracy, of those rabbitting on about their levels of generosity in tax deductable donations versus their willingness to contribute a levy based on a sliding scale of their taxable income, is laughable.
In my opinion, your appalling carry-on is a disgrace to anyone calling themselves Australian. Maybe this site should be renamed "The mean-fisted tightarse forum"
Typical 'shrieking ' responses. There is a difference between a donation, volunteering (which I did), and government expropriation with new taxes.I agree Nulla stunned by the me me me response
What is it about money and perspective?
Ladies and gentlemen: I have noticed some insults creeping into this thread and I do not wish to see any more. It is possible to debate issues such as this one and disagree with others without resorting to insults and personal attacks.
Thank you for your co-operation.
I find it contemptable, the finger pointing blame game for political parties not having a contingency plan in place to deal with a 100 year or 200 year flood as if this could be expected, planned for etc.
The hypocracy, of those rabbitting on about their levels of generosity in tax deductable donations versus their willingness to contribute a levy based on a sliding scale of their taxable income, is laughable.
In my opinion, your appalling carry-on is a disgrace to anyone calling themselves Australian. Maybe this site should be renamed "The mean-fisted tightarse forum"
Typical 'shrieking ' responses. There is a difference between a donation, volunteering (which I did), and government expropriation with new taxes.
Do you think the government will outperform free men in helping flood victims? Do you think it is more efficient to pipe the money through the government, as it leaks out through bureaucratic and corrupt holes in the pipework, and hope it gets where it needs to go?
This is nothing to do with the flood. This is about tax. They are using the word 'flood' to morally launder the new tax, which has arisen from their reckless spending spree that destroyed the surplus and made a big debt.
If we give the government ONE moral inch, they will take a mile and tax more and more and more. At the very least, every citizens moral duty is to oppose any even slight increase in tax, with all the vitriol he can muster, and then to demand lower taxes.
Has anyone heard of what essential "community" infrastructure needs repair/rebuilding?Probably we should be clear about just what the flood levy is supposed to be paying for.
It's not often that state governments throw away federal government infrastructure offerings.He says some WA transport projects, especially the interchange and roads around Perth airport, would be one option as they could be delayed for a year or two without much of an impact.
Now it's just more and more bloody tax. Any excuse will do.1) 1979 - 1983 record droughts and Farmers got no assistance. No Levy
2) 1983 Ash Wednesday and 2003 Black Saturday ... No Levy
(While the 1939 'Black Friday' bushfires in Victoria killed 71 people, the accompanying heatwave - claimed 438 lives and yet remains largely unacknowledged.)
3) QLD (Brisbane) 1974 FLOODED and Charlieville in 1990....... No Levy
4) Cyclone ADA 1970 and Cyclone Tracy 1974 as well as Cyclone Larry in 2006. (Which caused inflation due to the cost of bananas and Westpac to lift interst rates) NO LEVY !!!!!!!!
5) This is all in my living memory. I am sure there would be more predating what I have written ......... NO LEVY either.
How do you propose to fix the government built / controlled infrastructure damage then.........
Mr Katter wants a smaller, permanent levy with all the proceeds to go to a national fund. He says farmers also need government grants for replanting crops.
Also, is the levy going to be tax deductible like donations are??? If not, doesn't that mean we're getting double ripped??
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