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Soft Dough said:
nope, wages.

The Painter is on $35 per hour, said that 5 years ago was on around $20 per hour. The electrician apprentice is paid $30 per hour, and the plumber is on $45 per hour.

My ABN friend gets - Plumber - charges out at $80 per hour.
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Plumber sounds rightish, painter might be stretching the truth a bit (or was earning during the boom), sparky gofer would have to be a good 4th year or in the mines.

They all sound a bit $touched up for not having an abn. They would have to be good at their jobs to be pulling that. And it roughly works out to $60k (isn’t that the average wage?) a year anyway, that’s if they were lucky enough to get a years worth of consistent work. And that’s a big if.

They using their own tools, transport etc?
 

Not sure on tools and transport.

No touching up and no mines. The apprentice is 2nd year, but is 27y/o

$35 x 38 x 52 = $75k per year

$45 x 38 x 52 = $89k per year
 
I remember when tradies earned less than the average and drove around beat up older cars or maybe a new stock work ute. Now it seems they're earning more than many doctors and drive around hotted up SS utes and have a flash collectable car in the third garage of their slick house with a bunch of cash invested. This change seems to coincide with the property bubble.

I mean the last place I worked for I was there for six years and ended up as a foreman of an assembly section of a manufacturing plant(where I left just last year) yet only earned a meagre $40k a year not including overtime.

My father has been a principle and teacher of private schools all his life and now at 59yo is earning around $60k a year(the most he has earned all his life). How in the he!! can a 2nd year apprentice earn the same as this

Sorry guys but this is BS, houses shouldn't cost that much to build it's all been inflating over the last decade or so. I remember reading an article that our current housing affordability problem stems from the government not releasing enough land for residential purpose, ie supply and demand, and the developers seem to buy it all up and slow the release even further and set their prices as high as possible since there are only a few big residential developers.

All IMHO.......Rant over
cheers
 
Soft Dough said:
Not sure on tools and transport.

No touching up and no mines. The apprentice is 2nd year, but is 27y/o

$35 x 38 x 52 = $75k per year

$45 x 38 x 52 = $89k per year
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Lol I won't let my employees see this. It’s possible but there are a lot of 'if factors' in there to be able to sustain those types of wages across a whole year. Plumber about right due to the shortage.

I find it a bit sus for paying that much in wages and not into an abn, unless its through a recruitment agency, or its part time. Or perhaps they are just good at what they do and the company is short trades.

Sorry the App sparky wage sounds dodge just off that. And so does the painter.

As for us all earning mega bucks, and money raining from the sky. Well its TRUE!!! come and join the tradie millionaires club. Massive overpaid wages for all
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hello,

and goodluck to everybody, i hope you can earn plenty in your chosen careers

thankyou
robots
 
Tradesmen wouldn't work a paid 35-40 hours though? They spend a lot of time travelling, and given the nature of their work (appointment-based) it's relatively inefficient compared to having just the one job and employer. Which of course some tradesmen might have if they're not self-employed?
 
I think possibly alot of tradies exaggerate their earnings as well.
They say 'I earnt $50 an hour this week, 40 hours, $2k/wk, $100k/yr'.

Meanwhile they probably earnt $25 an hour and the $50 was when they had to come into work on a Saturday for a few hours and get double time.

I wouldn't be surprised, I've known alot of mindless idiot egotistical tradies (not that they're all like that just the ones I've had the misfortune of sharing a house with)
 
You go through cycles with work. When times are good you charge at a higher rate, so that when it turns down you can survive through it. You can go through months-year with no work at all. Some tradies might make good money for a month on wages, but if they can't cut it they are shown the door and settle for a less pay.

People on normal wages think its money time 24/7 if you’re a trade. But it takes a lot of hard yards and little money before you get to decent wages.

If you don't like how much you are getting paid then go change jobs. Even better start a small business and see if you become rich or another statistic.

Trying to explain the ups and downs of something you have lived since 14 is a little hard. Even more so to someone that has a job that they just turn up to.

If you are good at what you do you will make money no matter what profession
PS Alot of tradies are shonky rip offs with no knowledge, and there is a lot out there. Don't think I excuse those numbnuts for doing that

PPS go check the average wage for plumbers, carpenters, sparkys
even better heres a link
http://content.mycareer.com.au/salary-centre/trades/plumbing
 
Random thought, even though this thread has gone off track, but believe it has been answered ... and this is a random thought ... I spend too much time in elevators ... I thought to myself would I rather be making lifts or fixing them ... probably the latter, even during an economic down-term people expect lifts to be working.
 
moXJO said:
PPS go check the average wage for plumbers, carpenters, sparkys
even better heres a link
http://content.mycareer.com.au/salary-centre/trades/plumbing
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I did, and from the industries I know very well, there is obvious shonky reporting, plus trades are obviously skewed down due to a high proportion of subcontractors and apprentices, the first of which would be not represented whilst the second would drag the average down.

as to the previous posts.

There are an awful lot of jobs, especially professions for which there is unpaid work "for the love of the job" too, it is not just tradespeople that have this.

The tradespeople I know are never out of work, once again probably confusing subcontractors with wage earners.

I have no problems with them asking, earning and receiving what they can on an open market. I understand that they have a skillset which is in demand, and which they ( well the good ones anyway ) have taken time to develop, and are very professional.

What I have a problem with is that the demand is being driven by taxpayer dollars, when clearly the rate of pay is just being inflated by it. Open it up to a real market, and if the wages remain high, I can easily live with it.
 
Soft Dough said:
What I have a problem with is that the demand is being driven by taxpayer dollars, when clearly the rate of pay is just being inflated by it. Open it up to a real market, and if the wages remain high, I can easily live with it.
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Then you might be targeting the wrong factor in wage rise. The commodities boom was a bigger effect on wages, as that’s where we all ran to for better pay (flow on effect to everyone elses wages). The housing boom back in 2003-4 or whenever, was when the big pay days were being thrown around. Right now you should get decent prices for quotes if you shop around.

I thought those wages were a little high in that link.
 
Tradies do get paid a lot, but it depends on where you were. I know quite a few. Most of the time they get paid really badly during their apprenticeships, but afterwards the ones that make their own business and have these skills can make a fortune. A lot of employers I would imagine don't want to take on apprentices simply because in reality they are training the eventual competition.

And they get home at a reasonable hour as well. Of course these are mainly plumbers and sparkies. A lot of them have paid off houses very early in their life. However a lot of them have been commenting how a lot of work comes from developers and when they do tough the tradies (who get paid a lot) lose work. There's just less of them.

The overall FHBG is a big ripoff - I think the best thing for FHB is to wait for it to go.
 
ands said:
I work in the construction industry and $21000 on new homes is doing a great job at keeping the new housing industry going. They should just drop the $14000 back to $7000 on established homes (this seems pointless).
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I saw somewhere that this is being considered...it makes good sense.
 
So_Cynical said:
I saw somewhere that this is being considered...it makes good sense.
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How about dropping established to zero and new homes to $7000 ?

yeah, I think that I have got the balance right, and it will save rudd and swan millions.
 
hello,

lets total the $ given to the car industry, manufacturing, farmers and any others,

pure jealousy from those who dont have the $ in life, man plenty of choice out there

dont buy a house if you think it is expensive, easy

thankyou
robots
 
The total ecomony is breing driven by First Home Bribe, Bankcard and Government funding including the stimilus package. Once that stops we will find out how badly of we are and have a sudden depression on out hands.
 

Car industry = exports ( albiet now gone, and hence let it fold ) = ROI for australia
manufacturing = exports = ROI for australia
farmers = exports = ROI for australia.

residential housing = non-productive use of mining boom proceeds = 0 ROI for australia.

If housing was productive for australia, and it generated a ROI for the government, then I would support it.

All we have done over the past 10 years is plough horrendously huge amounts of money, which was derived from the mining boom into unproductive assets ( residential houses )

with no regard for generating a return in the future. With a reckless attitude regarding the future and the challenges it poses ( eg ageing population )


btw, financially I go alright, I can make a lot greater ROI owning businesses than houses
 
ands said:
I work in the construction industry and $21000 on new homes is doing a great job at keeping the new housing industry going. They should just drop the $14000 back to $7000 on established homes (this seems pointless).
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Perhaps it shouldn't be kept going? Artificially propping up an industry is not a sensiblea action.

Why should I subsidise an industry if it can't support itself, and help others buy a home that they probably can't afford?
 
No suprises here.....

RISING house prices in Melbourne's most affordable suburbs have effectively wiped out the Federal Government's cash hand-outs to first home buyers, new figures show.

House prices have risen by at least $7000 in more than half the lower-priced suburbs attractive to first home buyers since the grant was boosted in October from $7000 to $14,000 for existing homes, and to $21,000 for new houses.

At the same time, house values fell elsewhere around the city, indicating that the grants have distorted the market for buyers struggling to afford their first home.

The distortion is fuelling concerns that buyers could see the value of their homes drop as demand cools after the June 30 deadline for the grant to be cut.

New figures from property analysts Residex, obtained by The Sunday Age, show that 57 per cent of suburbs with average house values below $350,000 experienced a price increase of more than $7000 in the six months to March.


http://www.theage.com.au/national/first-home-buyers-slugged-20090502-aqup.html
 
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