Jack Aubrey
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Battery degradation is a real issue at this point in time and it is the biggest hurdle for EV's IMO, because when all the early uptakers are complaining at the same time Governments will have to take notice.
It is also the reason, that even though they are dearer in all aspects, fuel cell vehicles are more practical and sustainable.
Just my opinion.
Maybe EV's are just a ruse by the power companies to get people to buy more electricity ?
Either way, the fuel has to come from somewhere and uses resources to make it.
Battery tech advances so rapidly I find it hard to keep up. Apart from the alternatives to rechargeable Li-Ion batteries, such as Vanadium Gels and the replaceable Aluminium Can battery, Elon Musk is touting upgraded Li-Ion batteries with a life that would deliver One Million miles of travel over their life. Yes, early adopters of EV will pay a premium (I have concerns about the resale value of current generation EVs, not to mention ICE vehicles) as better tech replaces them.
This is critical.
Battery technology is advancing so quickly....you will need less power to drive more miles every year, and the batteries will last longer and longer. In terms of the mining process one would think economies of scale will continue to come into play as the uptake of battery-powered vehicles and homes continues, and emissions created during the mining process should fall. Any energy used during the mining process will eventually be sourced from renewable sources, and on-site vehicles will eventually be EV.
You simply cannot say the same for IC vehicles, as every km you travel consumes more oil.
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You nailed it with that quote Junior, unless battery technology improves, it will be one of the biggest flops ever.
As a stockpile of toxic dead battery material builds, due to the massive introduction of new batteries, questions will start and be asked about the sustainability.
If the life cycle can't be improved, the push toward H2 fuel cells will increase, I think Japan recognises this and it is the reason they are going the H2 path straight away.
Just my opinion.
That is exactly what they are hoping for, but a lot of time, research and money has been poured into battery development, which in reality hasn't really come up with any quantum leaps forward.That's the thing right...it doesn't matter what type of battery, the point is the tech will continue to advance quickly, and they will have to figure out a way to recycle old batteries. Consumers will demand it.
The point is, EVs produce no exhaust, need less maintenance and are highly likely to become more cost-effective than IC in the near future. It's a no-brainer to continue down this path.
Spot on frog, the wife and I just got back from a 10klm pedal to Aldi, she carried 10x2litre milk containers home, on the back of the push bike.Same here, retiring means my car will stay at hone fed with my panels during the day, not parked at train station or in an UG city carpark
And i do not need to do a commute trip a day
Spot on frog, the wife and I just got back from a 10klm pedal to Aldi, she carried 10x2litre milk containers home, on the back of the push bike.
Unfortunately my bike doesn't have a carrier, or I could have helped.
By the way that is 10klm each way.
Already have them, but the ride to do the shopping is for excercise.Maybe you need an electric bike.
I just checked my diary and I'm off to a public forum tonight called "Will My Next Car Be Electric?". It will have speakers from the renewables lobby and our local (ACT) government (which apparently has a group dealing with transition issues!). If I get the chance, I'll ask about public recharging infrastructure, hydrogen alternatives and roads funding and report back here.
In theory, the ACT is already on 100% renewable electricity (basically because our wholesalers are compelled to buy renewable-sourced electricity from the grid and we do have some big solar and wind farms). Weirdly (if you believe the nay sayers), our electricity is cheaper than every State (but very close to Qld prices). The accounting on this boggles my mind.
My great hope in all of this is that we (Australia) doesn't stuff it up in the same way we've tended to stuff up other technical things in recent times. Electricity, gas, NBN, water management......The fact that we have no have national strategy and are unlikely to have one anytime soon was highlighted
Absolutely agree, we really are no position to demand a standard voltage or plug etc, as you say we are better off to wait untill standards are introduced in a major market like the EU then adopt it.My great hope in all of this is that we (Australia) doesn't stuff it up in the same way we've tended to stuff up other technical things in recent times. Electricity, gas, NBN, water management......
I don't mean that as a negative comment, and I'm strongly in favour of EV's, but I've seen more than enough in other technical fields to be in the "alert and alarmed" category that this one doesn't also end up as a political football.
That we'll end up with a solution forced by European manufacturers is perhaps a good thing really.
Absolutely agree, we really are no position to demand a standard voltage or plug etc, as you say we are better off to wait untill standards are introduced in a major market like the EU then adopt it.
Maybe EV's are just a ruse by the power companies to get people to buy more electricity ?
Either way, the fuel has to come from somewhere and uses resources to make it.
Hydrogen = status quo for big oil, and they like that, what would be more scary for big oil than the idea people will charge at home 99% of the time, and the other 1% during road trips they will be charging at sites that aren’t their petrol stations.
Gas economics defeats me. We seem to be an importer now despite abundant reserves.
I have no problem with hydrogen if it were coming from electrolysis.I've got no problem with Hydrogen from gas provided carbon capture and storage is part of the whole deal. ACT Buses and some other heavy vehicles are tipped to go Hydrogen in the next two years because of weight and long daily use issues. A trial of battery buses in 2018 threw up major charging and battery-life issues. At present our (ACT) Hydrogen supply is from water electrolysis (a side-deal with one of our wind energy suppliers). The (Federal) Chief Scientist is also backing Hydrogen for heavy vehicle fleets. Gas economics defeats me. We seem to be an importer now despite abundant reserves.
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