Agreed there are definite limits to it. Turning waste into ethanol is sensible, it saves oil and puts the material to good use, but growing crops for that purpose specifically is highly dubious.
My point however is that done properly it won't wreck your engine but many seem to have a view that they'd rather walk than put E10 in their car. As far as they're concerned it's the devils work when in truth there's no such problem if it's done properly.
There's far too much of a religious / emotional / non-scientific approach to the entire energy issue in my view (referring to society as a whole there, especially politics).
I agree with that, I just wish people would keep the discussion sensible and relevant, rathe r than comparing apples with oranges, if the debate is kept on the issues pertaining to Australias unique circumstances it improves everyones understanding of the pros, coons and issues. I'll keep it short I'm using a phone while laying on my back in bloody hospital with a broken leg, bloody electric scooters lol.we all need a target to aim for, Norway is the current leader. We don’t have to copy them, and we shouldn’t, but we can take the best examples that fit our country.
Just read an interesting article, change is happening fast, faster than most can accept or understood, including me.
ELECTRIC VEHICLES SPECIAL REPORT
“I am charging into this brave new EV world and you should too
If you’d told me 20 years ago that I would be driving a car that could run on pure sunlight alone I would have laughed in your maniacal direction and asked you whether this vehicle would also fly and have some kind of magical screen on board that could give me access to All the Music in the World at the swipe of my finger, or via my voice command.”
I agree with that, I just wish people would keep the discussion sensible and relevant, rathe r than comparing apples with oranges, if the debate is kept on the issues pertaining to Australias unique circumstances it improves everyones understanding of the pros, coons and issues. I'll keep it short I'm using a phone while laying on my back in bloody hospital with a broken leg, bloody electric scooters lol.
Mr Hipster Trawler??I agree with that, I just wish people would keep the discussion sensible and relevant, rathe r than comparing apples with oranges, if the debate is kept on the issues pertaining to Australias unique circumstances it improves everyones understanding of the pros, coons and issues. I'll keep it short I'm using a phone while laying on my back in bloody hospital with a broken leg, bloody electric scooters lol.
It is a bit like saying, why cant every country get 100% covid vaccination rates? Gibralta did it very quickly,if they could do why cant all countries lol.
Its all good, a couple of plates on the tibea, no weight bearing for 6 weeks, then back on the scooter lol.Hey mate, sorry to hear that. Get better soon. You will be out for Christmas hopefully ?
i disagree , we could have been driving compact vehicles using lead acid batteries for the last 50 years , in fact in the '80s i worked in two different companies that used electric forklifts .. pallet transporters as well quite effectively
we had plenty of time to improve that technology and DIDN'T
those EVs had limitations sure , but so did the gas and petrol forklifts ( in certain areas )
BTW we have had solar vehicle endurance races for years too , but the research was left on the drawing board ( and 'race-track' ) rather than adapted and improved
what about solar + battery paint to the interior surface of the roof and boot to run the non-essential electronics on you EV
we could have done and still CAN do much better
we had working EVs since the 1900's this is NOT new just previously abandoned
that is the spiritIts all good, a couple of plates on the tibea, no weight bearing for 6 weeks, then back on the scooter lol.
It has been a while since I've been in hospital, there is certainly a lot of bio mass, left over after meal times, one thing for sure I'll loose a couple of kilos.lol
If you clear the sugar cane field and replace it with solar panels you will produce more energy than you can with one sugar cane crop a year.We produce a lot of sugar cane , and if there is a choice between giving people diabetes or producing power with it , my preference is for the latter.
I don't think ethanol powered vehicles are viable long term though, EV's are going to take that market. Maybe we should start to electrify inland rail lines as well to reduce reliance on diesel.
The auto industry was lead by the USA, who 100 years ago had what seemed like unlimited supply of cheap Oil, and climate change was unknown, so Oil was a good choice for the last 100years, it’s not a great choice for the next 100 though.yes and dominance in rare-earth magnets would have been a real help in that
BUT the west had 50 even 100 years to build that EV industry first .. and chose not to ( add one billion potential employees in China )
The problem with your earlier post on Norway is that any government can choose to do what Norway has done, and more still, just like America offering US$12500 incentives for buying an EV made with unionised labour (ie not a Tesla!).I agree with that, I just wish people would keep the discussion sensible and relevant, rathe r than comparing apples with oranges, if the debate is kept on the issues pertaining to it improves everyones understanding of the pros, coons and issues. I'll keep it short I'm using a phone laying on my back in bloody hospital with a broken leg, bloody electric scooters lol.
If you clear the sugar cane field and replace it with solar panels you will produce more energy than you can with one sugar cane crop a year.
Yes, technically not bad, ethanol is usually oil negative in europe, usa but here, with sugar cane and wood mass , from memory it is positive, so more enegrgy from ethanol than from producing itMaybe, but you still need to store it and solar cells are still subject to weather and err.. darkness.
Having a store of ethanol that you can feed into gas turbines at a moments notice to stabilise supply when the weather turns bad solves on of the problems of intermittency
Except they did not have to do it.What I was aluding to with Norway was they have a small population using a small road network and a small grid system which is supplied by fully renewable energy, it is a no brainer for them to have incentives and the installation of charging infrastructure isn't a problem as it doesn't face many logistical problems.
Many dams for sure, and the charging station rollout would be relatively cheap as well due to small distances in the charging network. Not that I think it will happen here but, rather than an HEV network in our non-metro areas, it's possible to instead use solar/wind powered battery charging banks as our servo equivalent. If we were really clever we could do this for many more-remote country towns and wean them off the grid.From memory Norway has something like 1800 hydro dams, so the HV transmission system would be incredibly stable.
It will happen, it just won't happen quickly, massive area with low population densities and a small tax base.Except they did not have to do it.
The Norway experience can be replicated in any western conurbation given that the average Australian driver seldom drives beyond it.
But without the right levers in place it won't happen any time soon.
Many dams for sure, and the charging station rollout would be relatively cheap as well due to small distances in the charging network. Not that I think it will happen here but, rather than an HEV network in our non-metro areas, it's possible to instead use solar/wind powered battery charging banks as our servo equivalent. If we were really clever we could do this for many more-remote country towns and wean them off the grid.
You can convert electricity into stored battery power, stored hydrogen, and even into liquid ammonia fuels.Maybe, but you still need to store it and solar cells are still subject to weather and err.. darkness.
Having a store of ethanol that you can feed into gas turbines at a moments notice to stabilise supply when the weather turns bad solves one of the problems of intermittency of renewable energy.
And biofuels are renewable too.
You can convert electricity into stored battery power, stored hydrogen, and even into liquid ammonia fuels.
sugar cane requires the sun to grow as well, but solar panels don’t need water or fertiliser, and produce all year, without the threat of crop failure.
Agreed, I like biofuels when it’s comes from waste product, but I don’t like the idea of using valuable Land, water and fertiliser to make fuel if there is better ways.The whole thing is a mix. I don't care if the turbines are powered by gas, hydrogen , ethanol or anything else, the more options we have the less we need to rely on one, so everything should be in the mix.
True, though the biggest 'limitation' was the consumer. If the sales aren't there the product will never develop. Governments had no interest in funding a new technology when they were concentrating on keeping jobs growth going and an automotive industry struggling against cheap imports.
Lead acid batteries was a start, good enough for city driving but couldn't compete with Aussies thirst for travel.
Electric cars are common these days, but back in 1968, they were a revolutionary idea. Meet Roy Doring and his car of the future.
That nailed it Rumpy, way too many are focusing on one aspect of a multi faceted problem.The whole thing is a mix. I don't care if the turbines are powered by gas, hydrogen , ethanol or anything else, the more options we have the less we need to rely on one, so everything should be in the mix.
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