No, just wanting the thread to get back onto economic aspectsHope you do not assume i am registered in a tax heaven?;-)
No just fair dinkum Australian asic pty ltd but most income from OS in the past few years.
I specifically pointed out otherwise. Your desire to assume I said something I didn't, rather than read what I actually said, is your own fault, not mine.
The hypothetical single-case origin of a virus entering the human population is a separate issue than the proliferation of a virus. One is plausible at any place humans come into contact with animals, especially if alive but potentially if dead, but the scenario suggested, which is the one I was responding to, makes zero sense; you can not make a virus replicate in a dead body. You can not infect a dead body with a virus (this is unlike other pathogens such as many bacteria, which can proliferate in dead tissue).
If I had COVID-19 and I went to a market which exclusively sold dead bats of any species you like, or dead pangolins, or dead snakes, or dead whatever animal you like, it would be no more dangerous than a vegetable market or chess tournament.
No one, not China/CCP, not the WHO, not the American government, not any official source, is saying that anyone other than patient zero and one single person who caught the virus from a human corpse, has contracted COVID-19 from any source other than a living human. Even the wetmarket narrative says an initial person was infected at the market, and everyone after that that was infected from human to human transfer, including the single case of someone catching it from a human corpse.
Hypothetically, if the thing you describe was the big problem we should be worried about, that is, animals are a market catching a disease from humans and replicating it, then infecting humans with the same disease, the only relevant problem would be live animals of a single species coming into contact with humans, and then being infected while still alive, and then either while still alive or sufficiently fresh to still be contagious, coming into contact with more humans. In that scenario, different species coming into contact with each other would be irrelevant. Indeed, even in the wetmarket scenario, even according to the most plausible version of the narrative, different species of animals coming into contact with each other at the market is impossible to have been a factor.
It's probably worth saying, because you've already made the mistake, that you should read the context of what I'm saying and not misapply it to other contexts.
No, just wanting the thread to get back onto economic aspects
I think there are going to be many amazing implications of this virus. To quote Comrade V I Ulyanov
"There are decades where nothing happens, and there are weeks where decades happen.”
I would prefer to focus on issues and not go up cul-de-sacs (like wet markets). And if we can't achieve reform now, what hope is there?
Agree, was just thinking about new opportunities etc products acts i could develop.but to be honest i do not see how i could do this here.even now..No, just wanting the thread to get back onto economic aspects
I think there are going to be many amazing implications of this virus. To quote Comrade V I Ulyanov
"There are decades where nothing happens, and there are weeks where decades happen.”
I would prefer to focus on issues and not go up cul-de-sacs (like wet markets). And if we can't achieve reform now, what hope is there?
you said what you said, you were wrong on that point, You have trouble admitting when you get some details wrong, I am bored of the back and forth, so bye.
1st half well worth listening to.Came across this interview with Danielle DiMartino Booth (who ? ).
Big picture view of the economic future post COVID 19'
It's actually a really big opportunity for us to reshape our economy and society for better... Well hopefully, and there may be some disagreement about what "better" actually is.Agree, was just thinking about new opportunities etc products acts i could develop.but to be honest i do not see how i could do this here.even now..
I have ideas but..
We need strong changes: taxes ,attitudes,regulations, red tapes..honestly i am doubtful
Let's hope...
You were suggesting that because no live animals are sold at the market the market they couldn't have any added risk of the virus other than what you would get at a fruit and veg market.Except that I wasn't. You're literally guilty of what you accuse me of. Glad for you to say 'bye'.
You were suggesting that because no live animals are sold at the market the market they couldn't have any added risk of the virus other than what you would get at a fruit and veg market.
This is clearly untrue.
But anyway, twist things however you like and retreat to a different point other than the one I was addressing, I don't care I am out.
It think there will a LOT more than some, and if we not see that much here, we will see it in abundance in other nations. It will be about how much debt you carry vs how flaky your income is understood.It would involve a great deal of financial pain for some...
The middle class with the debt is the critical mass.It would have to be a grass roots movement of we proles.... but I wonder if there is enough of a critical mass of people awake enough?
and my fears that the middle class are largely absolutely asleepIt think there will a LOT more than some, and if we not see that much here, we will see it in abundance in other nations. It will be about how much debt you carry vs how flaky your income is understood.
The middle class with the debt is the critical mass.
I don't think you can compare a local or insular population with one that has remote or exotic outsiders introduced into it. A clothing market isn't exactly a wet market.Sure as long as , and i do not think you want to understand this , that you agree it would have been the very same in a busy clothing market
IF this had been the case, would you argue we should close all clothing shops because this is where the disease got shared?
Selling wild animal where you can to see them slaughtered on the spot might be shocking, we even have the vegan snowflakes tipping in etc fair as long it is not mixed with the issue on hand which is the coronavirus. Another problem, another combat if you want, but not related
What next? Greta arguing that it is caused by global warming as you know, germs like warm conditions?
you need to realise all this is playing hand in hand with the CPP; some do not even hide their masters here but I doubt you would consider yourself a Xi shrill @hja?
so try to step back and reread what has been explained probably badly by both @Sdajii , myself and others
If need be, read on viruses, inter species bridges and then get some more details on the labs in Wuhan playing with coronavirus or live bats in their research labs and make your own opinion.
Agree but I am hoping they are focussing on beating the bug for the moment. While doing that contemplating their real financial situation and from there change their way wrt to working to reduce debt and getting more than a few weeks cover in their budget (start a budget). This will happen when we tire of playing about getting dressed up to put the bins out. On debt I think there has been a change to lessen debt, with the house price falls over the last couple of years, the virus effects, is a massive new injection of pain for those who are yet to have a lesson.and my fears that the middle class are largely absolutely asleep
Why single out one cohort? Utilising debt to (hopefully) enhance one's financial position has been the only game in town, across all socio-economic groups. Especially when the Central Bank Put (Bernanke, Powell, Draghi, Xi, RBA & etc, around the world) is evidence enough that risk has been squashed <technically; mispriced>. Then something comes along, very much left field, and what were thought to be sure things are shown to be dangerously, damagingly risky.It will be about how much debt you carry vs how flaky your income is.
The middle class with the debt is the critical mass.
Well we won't partake in invading other countries for oil. So that's better... and cheaperIt's actually a really big opportunity for us to reshape our economy and society for better... Well hopefully, and there may be some disagreement about what "better" actually is.
You were suggesting that because no live animals are sold at the market the market they couldn't have any added risk of the virus other than what you would get at a fruit and veg market.
This is clearly untrue.
But anyway, twist things however you like and retreat to a different point other than the one I was addressing, I don't care I am out.
That's not what I said. I said if you or I were infected and were the source of the infection, going to a market with dead animals being sold would be no more dangerous than going to a vegetable market or arm wrestling tournament etc.
If you are talking about a scenario where no humans are yet infected, and you're looking for the source of a new virus infecting a patient zero, then extremely low as the risk is, obviously it is higher at a dead animal market than a vegetable market.
You're the only one twisting things, pretending that I was saying the first thing in the second context, which I never did.
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