Economic implications of a SARS/Coronavirus outbreak

Sdajii · 19 April 2020

Value Collector said:
And the Spanish flu and swine flu both came from the USA.

Both have killed far more than Covid19, why haven’t you been requesting chicken and pig farms be shut down.

since Spanish flu came from chickens in the USA, and Swine flu came from a pig farm in Louisiana USA.

It's not an important point, but swine flu started in Mexico and it's not known where Spanish flu started.

100% agree with what you're saying though. There was no call for pigs to be banned in Mexico, and rightly so. MERS came from camels in the middle east. No one said we needed to ban domesticated camels in the middle east!

This thing clearly didn't come from a wet market anyway, but even if it did, you're not going to shut down all wet markets, and the bizarre ideas about wet markets some people apparently have make no sense.

sptrawler · 19 April 2020

I think people need to focus on two wrongs dont make a right, where it came from isnt an issue unless they have a vaccine, the focus needs to be on not getting it untill a vaccine is developed.
If Australia can eliminate it and a vaccine is produced, we dodge the bullet.
Nothing better than the power of possitive thought, except when buying shares.

Value Collector · 19 April 2020

Sdajii said:
It's not an important point, but swine flu started in Mexico and it's not known where Spanish flu started.

100% agree with what you're saying though. There was no call for pigs to be banned in Mexico, and rightly so. MERS came from camels in the middle east. No one said we needed to ban domesticated camels in the middle east!

This thing clearly didn't come from a wet market anyway, but even if it did, you're not going to shut down all wet markets, and the bizarre ideas about wet markets some people apparently have make no sense.

I just watched a documentary made by a group from Cambridge University that have been studying the Spanish flu for a few years, and they are pretty confident (for a lot of reasons that I can't list here), that the Spanish flu came from Chickens in the USA and spread to pigs before being passed to humans, and was transported to Europe by Soldiers.

Also I heard some where that the strain of swine flu that caused the most damage was genetically linked to a farm in Louisiana.

Value Collector · 19 April 2020

sptrawler said:
I think people need to focus on two wrongs dont make a right, where it came from isnt an issue unless they have a vaccine, the focus needs to be on not getting it untill a vaccine is developed.
If Australia can eliminate it and a vaccine is produced, we dodge the bullet.
Nothing better than the power of possitive thought, except when buying shares.

Yeah, These types of things will pop up from time to time all over the world, there is randomness to it, we have had Hendra virus in Australia where horses were passing viruses to humans, we were just lucky that through random chance the virus didn't mutate into something more sinister.

sptrawler · 19 April 2020

Value Collector said:
Yeah, These types of things will pop up from time to time all over the world, there is randomness to it, we have had Hendra virus in Australia where horses were passing viruses to humans, we were just lucky that through random chance the virus didn't mutate into something more sinister.

It still could, the infection is still rampant in Africa, god knows what could come back from there? Ebola, sleeping sickness, anyones guess.
The thing with 19 is it is super contagious, if it mutates with a really deady host, $hits are trumps.
Just my opinion.

Value Collector · 19 April 2020

sptrawler said:
It still could, the infection is still rampant in Africa, god knows what could come back from there? Ebola, sleeping sickness, anyones guess.
The thing with 19 is it is super contagious, if it mutates with a really deady host, $hits are trumps.
Just my opinion.

Imagine a virus like ebola that spread like the flu, or an aids type virus that was airborne.

Hollywood movies have been made about this stuff, but given enough time anything can evolve.

sptrawler · 19 April 2020

Value Collector said:
Imagine a virus like ebola that spread like the flu, or an aids type virus that was airborne.

Hollywood movies have been made about this stuff, but given enough time anything can evolve.

Thats what I was saying, but thanks for repeating it, it is very important as it is a huge probability.lol
By the way dont worry about the aids component, apparently it already has it.

Smurf1976 · 19 April 2020

Value Collector said:
Both have killed far more than Covid19, why haven’t you been requesting chicken and pig farms be shut down.

I think the issue is people just don't trust the Chinese authorities.

Heck, Chinese people themselves pay a lot of money to avoid eating Chinese products and that says it all. Daigou only exists because of that, people don't trust that what it says on the tin is what's actually in the tin hence the willingness to pay a premium to obtain product directly from a foreign supplier.

The only ones arguing that China doesn't have a problem with food standards are Westerners in fear of being accused of racism. For anyone who doubts it, just google "gutter oil".......

Value Collector · 19 April 2020

Smurf1976 said:
I think the issue is people just don't trust the Chinese authorities.

Heck, Chinese people themselves pay a lot of money to avoid eating Chinese products and that says it all. Daigou only exists because of that, people don't trust that what it says on the tin is what's actually in the tin hence the willingness to pay a premium to obtain product directly from a foreign supplier.

The only ones arguing that China doesn't have a problem with food standards are Westerners in fear of being accused of racism.

I avoid all meat and animal products for various reasons including the disease risks the industry adds to our society, I would also have to flip a coin between trusting China or trusting Trumps administration, hahaha

sptrawler · 19 April 2020

Value Collector said:
I avoid all meat and animal products for various reasons including the disease risks the industry adds to our society, I would also have to flip a coin between trusting China or trusting Trumps administration, hahaha

There are still plenty of people trying to get to Australia and the U.S.
Not so many trying to force their way into China.

Value Collector · 19 April 2020

sptrawler said:
There are still plenty of people trying to get to Australia and the U.S.
Not so many trying to force their way into China.

The reasons they want to go to the USA is not because the love or trust Trumps administration.

Sdajii · 19 April 2020

sptrawler said:
I think people need to focus on two wrongs dont make a right, where it came from isnt an issue unless they have a vaccine, the focus needs to be on not getting it untill a vaccine is developed.
If Australia can eliminate it and a vaccine is produced, we dodge the bullet.
Nothing better than the power of possitive thought, except when buying shares.

For various reasons, where it came from is important. It obviously came out of a lab, and if nothing else this means laboratory security needs to be improved (or if it was a deliberate release there are clear accountability issues). Making this definitively known and having appropriate repercussions also discourages others from making the same mistake. Hypothetically, if the market story was true, we may want to take action to prevent similar things happening again.

If your plan is to wait for a vaccine, goodness help us. Even with all the time, resources and medical technology that will ever exist, a vaccine may literally be impossible for this type of virus and it is very unlikely to be possible to produce one which is either reliable or long lasting, let alone both. The power of positive thought can lead us to expect an impossible solution to come, which may make us fail to take more realistic and appropriate action.

Sdajii · 19 April 2020

Value Collector said:
Imagine a virus like ebola that spread like the flu, or an aids type virus that was airborne.

Hollywood movies have been made about this stuff, but given enough time anything can evolve.

An ebola type virus is never likely to get too far because it's too deadly and kills hosts too quickly. Even without any fuss made about it, it wouldn't get far, but in the modern world we would be alerted to it extremely quickly (rapid deaths bring quick attention and extreme reaction) and we'd contain it without difficulty.

An airborne (or highly contagious) AIDS type virus would really be nasty. Fortunately it's biologically very unlikely. Highly contagious diseases are generally restricted to the external parts of the body (in a biological sense, your lungs and digestive system are external, as opposed to the blood and internal organs like the liver, brain, kidneys, etc). External systems like the digestive and respiratory system wouldn't be likely to hold on to a virus which worked anything like HIV. If such a thing did exist it would likely infect most of the world.

Smurf1976 · 19 April 2020

Sdajii said:
Making this definitively known and having appropriate repercussions also discourages others from making the same mistake.

Agreed there's a definite need to get to the truth as to what happened and, if it was due to negligence or worse still deliberate, hold them accountable and ensure it doesn't happen again.

It's not like we're talking about some shoddily made consumer product here, this has stuffed the world basically.

Sdajii · 19 April 2020

Smurf1976 said:
Agreed there's a definite need to get to the truth as to what happened and, if it was due to negligence or worse still deliberate, hold them accountable and ensure it doesn't happen again.

It's not like we're talking about some shoddily made consumer product here, this has stuffed the world basically.

However you look at it, China committed crimes against humanity. Even if you want to say it came from the market or some other source they couldn't legitimately be held accountable for, covering it up and lying about it for as long as possible, and silencing those trying to alert the world's attention to it have caused the deaths of a great many people and counting, and extreme economic damage. It's impossible to determine exactly how much of the damage could have been mitigated, but it's certainly a considerable rather than trivial percentage. The blatant corruption of the WHO with China pulling the strings to the world's detriment also needs to be dealt with. Fortunately this seems likely. Hopefully this will be the anvil which breaks the camel's back and causes the world to finally wake up to China. Decades overdue but better now than later.

joeno · 19 April 2020

Sdajii said:
However you look at it, China committed crimes against humanity. Even if you want to say it came from the market or some other source they couldn't legitimately be held accountable for, covering it up and lying about it for as long as possible, and silencing those trying to alert the world's attention to it have caused the deaths of a great many people and counting, and extreme economic damage. It's impossible to determine exactly how much of the damage could have been mitigated, but it's certainly a considerable rather than trivial percentage. The blatant corruption of the WHO with China pulling the strings to the world's detriment also needs to be dealt with. Fortunately this seems likely. Hopefully this will be the anvil which breaks the camel's back and causes the world to finally wake up to China. Decades overdue but better now than later.

"Crimes against humanity" for being a bit slow to react? Does that make Italy guilty of the same crimes? How many trillions should we sue Italy in compensation for these wartime atrocities against the peaceful and benevolent United States of America and Australia.

What about the US under Trump ignoring this virus and calling it a hoax in the very beginning, jeopardizing their population and the people of Earth. I guess he is responsible for the 100,000s deaths in the US and in Europe. So can we all declare war on the US?

It's jumping from one ridiculous assertion to another like gymnastics to muster up hatred and find a way to re-direct the humiliation of one's own failures. Well done. Hope you are feeling better now.

Signed, your local 50c communist marxist government shill

joeno · 19 April 2020

How stupid Australians are to blindly follow Trump's America. They are currently pillaging PPE & Medical Supplies from their own allies like Canada and NATO countries.

Coercing Australians away from accepting 5G Huawei infrastructure in a politically ignorant move due to "security breach" nonsense. Great so Aussie internet can be AS CRAPPY going into the 2020s

qldfrog · 19 April 2020

sptrawler said:
Nothing better than the power of possitive thought, except when buying shares

Sdajii said:
The power of positive thought can lead us to expect an impossible solution to come, which may make us fail to take more realistic and appropriate action.

Where our QLD premier in a public TV speech talk about waiting for a vaccine, this is not positive thinking, this is irresponsibility.
We will not have a working vaccine
Obviously you will not hear it from labs who just been thrown unlimited money for the next 3y or so, be they private or public

Value Collector · 19 April 2020

Sdajii said:
An ebola type virus is never likely to get too far because it's too deadly and kills hosts too quickly. Even without any fuss made about it, it wouldn't get far, but in the modern world we would be alerted to it extremely quickly (rapid deaths bring quick attention and extreme reaction) and we'd contain it without difficulty.

An airborne (or highly contagious) AIDS type virus would really be nasty. Fortunately it's biologically very unlikely. Highly contagious diseases are generally restricted to the external parts of the body (in a biological sense, your lungs and digestive system are external, as opposed to the blood and internal organs like the liver, brain, kidneys, etc). External systems like the digestive and respiratory system wouldn't be likely to hold on to a virus which worked anything like HIV. If such a thing did exist it would likely infect most of the world.

given enough time highly unlikely events are almost certain to happen.

jbocker · 19 April 2020

Value Collector said:
given enough time highly unlikely events are almost certain to happen.

Even a vaccine or other application that works against Covid-19.

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