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Economic implications of a SARS/Coronavirus outbreak

It's too early to called Swedish model a failure.
They'll inevitably be better off re: second wave and at the beginning of the month along with the Dutch (who initially, IIRC started with a herd approach) are the only countries to have their death predictions downgraded by 40% in comparison with comparable European countries.
The major disaster for Swedes has been with deaths in nursing homes but that a common element across the board...eg Spain with nearly 70% of deaths in nursing homes.

http://www.healthdata.org/covid/updates
 
What about the John Hopkins University part? That is really the basis of the post.
 
What about the John Hopkins University part? That is really the basis of the post.
I didn't quote that in the response but it's using a business as usual approach to the numbers while I believe that keeping the vulnerable properly isolated (where we have failed miserably) allows the young to gain a larger % of herd immunity to the population.
If 70% of the population is required for herd immunity and 70% of the population are extremely low risk then open it up to the less vulnerable.
The Global average age for death is around 80 years old & with proper quarantine this can be reduced dramatically until quality treatments or a vaccine becomes available.
 

Extremely low risk? Not if you are in the age range of 45-74 and especially with existing medical pre conditions. Also the new found link to children where it attacks their hearts is worrying.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-age-sex-demographics/
https://theweek.com/speedreads/913720/covid19-now-believed-attack-kids-kidneys-hearts-nerves-not-just-lungs

But the more important point (in economic terms) is the length of time to get the herd immunity -18 months away at best, the New York example is particularly relevant, all that death yet no-where near herd immunity. People aren't going to willingly catch this. The implications are enormous.

You can open up the economy as much as you want but if you have not got it in control then people will not risk their life. I think Australia is on a much better route.

Of course - once a treatment is found - then everything changes.
 
Just a note @Knobby22 to say I appreciate good unbiased and informative posts like that.
 
Analysing the cost vs benefit of COVID 19 shutdown.

The costs of the shutdown are overestimated – they’re outweighed by its $1 trillion benefit
As Australia begins to relax its COVID-19 restrictions there is understandable debate about how quickly that should proceed, and whether lockdowns even made sense in Australia in the first place.


The sceptics arguing for more rapid relaxation of containment measures point to the economic costs of lockdowns and appeal to the cold calculus of cost-benefit analysis to conclude that the lives saved by lockdowns don’t justify the economic costs incurred to do so.

Their numbers don’t stack up.
https://theconversation.com/the-cos...e-outweighed-by-its-1-trillion-benefit-138303
 
Well ole Trump is as we speak carrying out the experiment for us.

gg
 
Well ole Trump is as we speak carrying out the experiment for us.

gg

I posted the story in good faith and, in theory..., according to the metrics used by the authors, the thousands of people who die represent a trillion dollar loss to the economy

But please note the metrics value each US life at $10m and Australian lives at around $4.9m.

WOW!! Bet you didn't know we were all so "valuable"..

As far as the US and Trump goes the assisted euthanasia experiment he is allowing is happening largely in
1) Nursing homes
2) Poorer crowed black and latino communities
3) Crowded prison systems.
4) Big industrial meat packing/chicken processing industries

Yes there will be many others who die but if your sufficiently ruthless you can pass these off as collateral damage and call them Free Enterprise warriors into the bargain.

The only universe in which US citizens who dies from COVID19 will be "valued "at $10m each will be in the gigantic lawsuit pinned on the Chinese government for reparation damages. Otherwise we will not see these deaths. They will be underreported by fudging criteria on death certificates, overlooked when the happen and called fake news if ever called out.
 
Well ole Trump is as we speak carrying out the experiment for us.

gg
indeed will be interesting to see the final results between democrat states with mandatory isolation and the republican states with a more individualistic view.
Both in term of morbility and economic impacts
Funny how the hoarders/ doom preps were seen as right wings nutters to laugh at 6 months ago whereas now the leftists are the ones endorsing the approach
 

Nobody really knows how the USA will go imo.

You may be discounting the bankruptcies and disruption to business and goods flow.

Then again if any country is to pick up again quickly it will be the USA with their work ethic.

gg
 
An interesting development with so many working from home

- asked Mick

Of course there have been court cases already Hargreaves and Telstra Corporation Limited [2011] AATA 417.
Does workers compensation cover employees working from home?

Working from home: employer obligations

An employer should also provide a working from home policy which:
https://www.safeworkaustralia.gov.a..._must_i_do_when_workers_are_working_from_home
 
Wasn't sure about the use of these numbers.

http://clubtroppo.com.au/2020/05/18...d-holden-bruce-preston-and-neil-bailey-ooops/


Even with the above it feels like they ignored the cost of the virus running through society freely.
 
My view is that we have learnt a lot in the last 3 months.decision were made which were not justified, yet blame is not welcome, 8 would preefer a :
We made a prudent decision, we might have gone too far in retrospective, and i believe people would understand that.
I would.
No need to lie and fudge figures, only idiots or some radical members here do not accept change

If the temperature factor is real, we were mostly safe and could have just isolate vulnerable populations, on the other end, we may just start facing issues down south.
Let's look again in august.i think Morrison overall did a proper job and acted as he should have.now let's move on and learn from it.
 
We are starting to see the green shoots of a post virus Australia IMO, the Governments renewables roadmap and an increase in domestic manufacturing is on the cards. Hooray
The debate will probably be about the time and cost of getting the energy mix right between gas and renewables, gas is easier because it only requires a pipe, renewables are better but would take a lot longer to fruition.
Just my opinion.

https://www.watoday.com.au/national...0-p54uwd.html?js-chunk-not-found-refresh=true
 

After a double-whammy of fossil fuel leaders getting paid by the government to recommend fossil projects, the ABC reports that Angus Taylor has released the government’s 30 year Technology Investment Roadmap.

While the discussion paper considers the potential of more than 140 technologies, including hydrogen, renewables, biofuels and (surprise surprise) gas and carbon capture, The Age’s Nick O’Malley notes that it also “includes no goals, no discussion, no prediction of how much less carbon the nation will emit over the coming years should Taylor’s roadmap be followed.”

FURTHER: The Guardian reports that a leaked draft report by a the COVID-19 Commission’s manufacturing taskforce — headed by Dow Chemical executive Andrew Liveris — recommends the Morrison government use taxpayer funds to “create the market” for gas and build fossil fuel infrastructure that would operate for decades. Three for three, baby!
 
Yes it sounds good, hopefully the momentum is maintained, the problem with these big bold moves they tend to fizzle out when bean counters get involved.
Hopefully this time it is different.
 
Be interesting to see how the owners and investors of the big shopping centres fare as foot traffic and sales crash.
Shopping centre landlords set to be among the biggest coronavirus losers

When the dust eventually settles on the COVID-19 pandemic, there will be winners and there will be losers. Retail landlords are shaping up to be among the biggest losers.

Key points:
  • Many retailers say they have struggled to negotiate rent reductions with their shopping centre landlords
  • Retail giant Premier Investments stopped paying rent while its stores were closed and is now seeking to negotiate much lower rents going forward
  • Analysts say the stream of new retailers that has allowed landlords to squeeze small shops out of existence is drying up
"Everybody else has felt that this is a ground-breaking time where we have to behave differently, do things differently, change your business model," retail strategist Nancy Georges told the ABC.

"Landlords are not doing that."
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05...rds-among-biggest-coronavirus-losers/12271266
 
What a beat up this is

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...ine/12278432&usg=AOvVaw2SwoWiUy_gwxdzhCQmR1ZK

Firstly the budgeted amount was announced well BEFORE businesses were repeating for Job Keeper so the REASON is just rubbish

The estimates were based on worst case scenarios for budgeting purposes.
Australia handled and is handling COVID as good as anyone on the planet.

So best case is now the worst case.
Spin is for a bungle for political gain —— same old same old.

Personally all I see is a reward for a job well done from EVERYONE.
 
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