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So now we know what the FBI were looking for and what they found.
But of course the wern't "Top Secret" of Classified because .... Don said they weren't

FBI seized 'top secret' documents from Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago property, unsealed search warrant reveals​

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The search warrant reveals the FBI is investigating possible breaches of several US laws.(Reuters: Marco Bello)
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Court documents have revealed the FBI seized 11 sets of classified information from Donald Trump's Florida property earlier this week, including some marked "top secret".

Key points:​

• Donald Trump did not object to the release of the list of items recovered by the FBI following its search of his Mar-a-Lago estate
• The unsealed search warrant reveals Mr Trump is being investigated for possible violations of the Espionage Act and several other laws
• The Justice Department had called for the warrant to be unsealed citing "substantial public interest"

A federal judge has unsealed the search warrant and a list of the items recovered by the FBI after the former president said he did not object to their release.

The search warrant reveals Mr Trump is being investigated for possible violations of the Espionage Act, a federal law that prohibits the possession or transmission of national defence information.

The two other laws cited involve concealing, removing or destroying records.

What did the FBI take away ? Clearly a hell of a lot. 20 Boxes of documents for a start. How critical was the information


Some of the seized documents are marked as "classified/TS/SCI", which is shorthand for "top secret/sensitive compartmented information".
The receipt does not specify what's in the documents.
But the US government has three tiers for classifying sensitive information: confidential, secret and top secret.
The highest level of security clearance is required to access sensitive compartmented information.

Such documents are only meant to be stored and viewed in special secure facilities — certainly not in golf clubs.

Members pay to access Mar-a-Lago, which means anything stored there could, in theory, be vulnerable to America's foreign adversaries, or their spies.

PZ99 said:

Hehe... this is bad right ?

After a tremendous amount of work over the last year, the FBI is completing its investigation and referring the case to the Department of Justice for a prosecutive decision. What I would like to do today is tell you three things: what we did; what we found; and what we are recommending to the Department of Justice.

This will be an unusual statement in at least a couple ways. First, I am going to include more detail about our process than I ordinarily would, because I think the American people deserve those details in a case of intense public interest. Second, I have not coordinated or reviewed this statement in any way with the Department of Justice or any other part of the government. They do not know what I am about to say.

I want to start by thanking the FBI employees who did remarkable work in this case. Once you have a better sense of how much we have done, you will understand why I am so grateful and proud of their efforts.

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PZ, I presume those are not your words, but as just a gentle reminder that if you are going to quote some source, can you put something to identifying the source?
Its not that i don't trust you, I just like to put everything in context.
Thanks,
Mick

I think this is the source for PZ's quote, right PZ?

There has been a very predictable storm of controversy over exactly what was taken from Mars aLago and Trumps various offices in the complex.

I took one for the team and did a deep dive into the various alternative reality sites that are passionate about Donald Trumps integrity. There were a few interesting perspectives.

1) There was no classified information at Mars a Lago. By dint of being President, Donald Trump had declassified any and every document he took with him. Therefore there is no case for saying these were Top Secret or Highly sensitive documents

2) Trump was saving these documents from the Deep State and the Democrats. This argued that on leaving the White House Donald Trump was concerned that there was much critical information that couldn't be trusted with a Democrat President and the corrupt Deep State operatives in the administration. He needed to keep these documents in a safe place ahead of his rightful return to Presidency when the illegal election results were overturned.

3) The documents were protected under Habeas Corpus law. This argument ran along the lines of "Keep the Body". They say that Habeas Corpus translates as "Finders Keepers" in modern vernacular and means that because Donald Trump had the documents as President he was entitled to keep them, if he wished, when he left the White House. Therefore he hadn't broken any law. (Pretty creative I thought. Much originalist legal analysis in that take)

4) The alleged documents were a hoax. There was no important material held or seized at Mars A lago. The alleged documents were deliberately mislabeled or false ones put in their place. They pointed out that Donald Trump had already said this substitution was a likely occurrence so that seemed sufficient evidence to dismiss the entire process as a false flag operation intended to attack the rightful President

These were the most cogent and sensible arguments I found. I havn't covered the ones alluding to shapeshifters taking over the FBI and outright rejection of any raid as simply a Giant Hoax.

There was a suggestion from Q sources that this was an exceptionally clever ploy by Donald Trump to draw into the open the various nefarious forces attacking the Great Trump United States and then clean then out with one fell swoop. This analysis did point out the critical role an enraged mass Trump movement could play in attacking and overturning the FBI as well as all the other identified "enemies of the people".

ghotib said:

I think this is the source for PZ's quote, right PZ?

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Great find. It relates back to the Hilary Clinton investigation. Well worth a read.

Biden Regime is clutching at straws.

In May, former Trump administration official Kash Patel told Breitbart News that the president had already declassified materials at Mar-a-Lago.

“I was there with President Trump when he said ‘We are declassifying this information'.

Polling shows Ron DeSantis is now favourite among Republicans especially among young and educated Republican members.
And after this latest dodgy behaviour you can be sure more will be swayed.

Knobby22 said:

Polling shows Ron DeSantis is now favourite among Republicans especially among young and educated Republican members.
And after this latest dodgy behaviour you can be sure more will be swayed.

Half of G.O.P. Voters Ready to Leave Trump Behind, Poll Finds (Published 2022)

Far from consolidating his support, the former president appears weakened in his party, especially with younger and college-educated Republicans. Gov. Ron DeSantis of Florida is the most popular alternative.

www.google.com.au

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Many have moved on from Trump. Documents that would take Trump out of the running and allow DeSantis to run without that "clown show" in the background. It's the best option for Republicans.

They can make political mileage out of fbi overreach. If Trump is taken out then his supporters will galvanise behind Desantis.
Now for the political manoeuvring.

moXJO said:

Many have moved on from Trump. Documents that would take Trump out of the running and allow DeSantis to run without that "clown show" in the background. It's the best option for Republicans.

They can make political mileage out of fbi overreach. If Trump is taken out then his supporters will galvanise behind Desantis.
Now for the political manoeuvring.

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I really think DeSantis would be a better Pres on a number of levels, but part of me would just love Trump to win again for a number of different reasons, and just to watch sufferers of TDS heads explode.

Mind you I do see a new disease developing, DeSantis Derangement Syndrome. The first symptom was leftists running around like morons shouting about "Don't sat gay".

wayneL said:

I really think DeSantis would be a better Pres on a number of levels, but part of me would just love Trump to win again for a number of different reasons, and just to watch sufferers of TDS heads explode.

Mind you I do see a new disease developing, DeSantis Derangement Syndrome. The first symptom was leftists running around like morons shouting about "Don't sat gay".

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The establishment dems and Republicans are war hungry. Bidens managed to plonk us in the middle of one of the most dangerous situations in history. I'm sure North Korea is supplying Russia with weapons now.

Australia is in the firing line. Why we stick up for the US when they have proven they can't be trusted is beyond me.

The Dems do not want Trump to run in 2024. Simple as that. Liz Cheney has stated this openly.

Last weekend was the race for the GOP nominee in AZ - Karri Lake won every county. Every Trump endorsement so far has also won.

Dems are desperate. Hey, let fabricate another story, hmm, lets pick stealing nuclear documents.

If you can't see that it's all about public perception, you've got rocks in your head. We are living and witnessing modern day propaganda. It's so fun and interesting to watch.

Hook.Line.Sinker. You've been played.


Hook.Line.Sinker.

But don't worry, 2020 was the most secure election in the history of the USA

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ghotib said:

I think this is the source for PZ's quote, right PZ?

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This is why i think it is important to provide the sources of quotes.
When I read it, I assumed it was in response to the current FBI investigation of Trump which most of the conversation was about, whereas it the link provided shows it was related to Hillary Clinton investigation.
Mick

mullokintyre said:

PZ, I presume those are not your words, but as just a gentle reminder that if you are going to quote some source, can you put something to identifying the source?
Its not that i don't trust you, I just like to put everything in context.
Thanks,
Mick

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Sorry about that. I had tried to insert the source into one of the words and it obviously didn't work and I didn't check it afterwords. Yes it was about the Crooked Hillary investigation.

Ironically, putting everything in context is exactly what that quote was all about

Having said the above, I think the general public has lost faith in the FBI.
The FBI is meant to be apolitical, but they aren't


Remember this....




And this...




FBI is woke


I think the most interesting part so far from the MAL raid was how Trump & Co watched the raid via secure feed in NY. The affidavit for the raid also hasn't been released either, gee-wizz, l wonder why...???

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The FBI appear not to be bigots,Trans-phobes, racist or Homo -phobes. A couple of issues still in the 'in-box' at your desk DB.

Based on the DOJ’s lack of transparency and Trump’s posturing, it’s safe to assume the DOJ doesn’t want us to see what’s in the affidavit. Meaning they know they f'ed up.

If the raid produced evidence of a crime, no one would care about the probable cause. Looks like the DOJ/FBI got greedy, and thought if they “got” Trump, the affidavit would be forgotten.

Well they didn’t find anything...