Do you believe in the Ark?

2020hindsight · 15 September 2007

OK a simple poll for the few days - easy one
I mean "is there a god" is/was really broad concept
and "do you believe in evolution" was still a fraction broad, lol
this one is like - tossing a coin - (I think lol)
better make it a six sided coin - plus the "any other" option of course

Better define terms I guess
Aussie = aussie passport holder

from christian background - includes anyone who has ever visited a church other than as a tourist lol (I mean , a Hindu visiting Winchester Cathedral doesn't count lol)

from non-christian - the others

Believe in Noah's Ark = generally believe in a flood, a man, his wife, his two sons and their wives, who rounded up animals, put them into a boat for a period of time and thus rescued them from drowning during a massive flood, thelikes of which we probably haven't seen before, and hopefully won't see again .
(hopefully that covers it - if not i guess explain the "other option"
- by all means have some fun with it
just let's not get all biffo about it )

numbercruncher · 15 September 2007

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Pretty easy concept to beleive, big flood came along, self preservation kicked in, was an animal lover, loaded up the cruiser, happy days.

2020hindsight · 15 September 2007

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Believe in Noah's Ark = generally believe in a flood, a man, his wife, his two sons and their wives, who rounded up animals, put them into a boat for a period of time and thus rescued them from drowning during a massive flood, the likes of which we probably haven't seen before, and hopefully won't see again .

I have been deliberately vague here . Some (minor) variation from the Genesis version permitted, (leave it to your imagination) - and still “believe in the Ark” – BUT I would have thought it should still qualify as “Saving the earth’s fauna”, yes?

eg the possibility of Noah’s account being inaccurate? still ok I guess
is he a reliable witness, was the flood less widespread as he claimed? – still ok I guess
(I mean - what was the distance to his horizon – ever from Everest you can only see a small percentage of the Earth,

and even from a 30m (100 foot) high boat , your horizon is only 16k (10 miles) away.

is he claiming to be Reuters when he is only the Jerusalem Herald (or it’s equivalent wherever he was living at the time). In summary, the flood may not have been as bad as he claimed – but still ok I guess

BUT
“believe in Noah’s Ark” – you can’t argue (in my opinion) that he was deluded, - that he took on board a couple of dogs, cats, even say a dozen species of local fauna, - and THOUGHT he saved the world’s species.

I mean you have to go along with the general thrust that it was a pretty big deal , this flood thing, and the big boat wow, and the animals etc . ok?
(PS IMO )

PS how big is a cubit anyways?

son of baglimit · 15 September 2007

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whats with the recent need for religion based questions etc.

cant we keep this topic for the non thinkers and other sheep it draws in - you know, the folk in hotcopper lol.

2020hindsight · 15 September 2007

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numbercruncher said:
Pretty easy concept to beleive, big flood came along, self preservation kicked in, was an animal lover, loaded up the cruiser, happy days.

hey NC, now you're taking the piss lol
anyone taking the piss will be asked to lean out over the rail as far as possible
and on the LEEWARD side please

BIG BWACULL · 15 September 2007

Noah's Second Ark

In the year 2004, the Lord came unto Noah, who was now living in the United States, and said, "Once again, the planet has become wicked and over-populated and I see the end of all flesh before me. Build another Ark and save two of every living thing along with a few good humans."

He gave Noah the blueprints, saying, "You have six months to build the Ark before I will start the ceaseless rain for 40 days and 40 nights".

Six months later, the Lord looked down and saw Noah weeping in his yard, but no ark.

Noah", He roared, "I'm about to start the rain! Where is the Ark?"

"Forgive me, Lord," begged Noah. "But things have changed. I needed a building permit. I've been arguing with the inspector about the need for a sprinkler system. My neighbors claim that I've violated the neighborhood zoning laws by building the Ark in my yard and exceeding the height limitations.

We had to go to the Development Appeal Board for a decision. Then the Department of Transportation demanded a bond be posted for the future costs of moving power lines and other overhead obstructions, to clear the passage for the Ark's move to the sea. I argued that the sea would be coming to us, but they would hear nothing of it.

Getting the wood was another problem. There's a ban on cutting local trees in order to save the spotted owl. I tried to convince the environmentalists that I needed the wood to save the owls. But no go!

When I started gathering the animals, I got sued by an animal rights group. They insisted that I was confining wild animals against their will. As well, they argued the accommodation was too restrictive and it was cruel and inhumane to put so many animals in a confined space. Then the EPA ruled that I couldn't build the Ark until they'd conducted an environmental impact study on your proposed flood.

I'm still trying to resolve a complaint with the Human Rights Commission on how many minorities I'm supposed to hire for my building crew.Also, the trades unions say I can't use my sons. They insist I have to hire only Union workers with Ark building experience.

To make matters worse, the IRS seized all my assets, claiming I'm trying to leave the country illegally with endangered species.

So, forgive me, Lord, but it would take at least ten years for me to finish this Ark.."

Suddeningly, the skies cleared, the sun began to shine, and a rainbow stretched across the sky. Noah looked up in wonder and asked, "You mean, You're not going to destroy the world?".

"No," said the Lord. "The government beat me to it."

numbercruncher · 15 September 2007

Hilarious, Good work Big, and thanks for providing the first laugh of the day !!

2020hindsight · 15 September 2007

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son of baglimit said:
whats with the recent need for religion based questions etc.

cant we keep this topic for the non thinkers and other sheep it draws in - you know, the folk in hotcopper lol.

SOBag
I suppose it's religious
then again it's also about the origin of species
it's also .... about how fervently we believe stories that are arguably myths - that are part of our semi-accepted "traditional beliefs"

do we really accept the accuracy of some of these stories?
do we really believe these "add-ons" to our belief.

I mean does a Hindu really believe in Ganesh?.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ganesh_Chaturthi
I often talk to taxi drivers about this stuff lol. And believe it or not, most people love explainig their religion to you. They absolutely adore the bloke. I mean (assuming I got the story straight) he's a boy who has his head cut off due to an unfortunate misunderstanding with his father - and so they put an elephant's head on him. And he's ... just a great bloke - if a little strange looking.

Now - question lol
Does that taxi driver REALLY believe that such a person existed ?
Buddhism grew out of this , and even believes in Ganesh in some parts of the world as I understand it.

Likewise
Do "Christians" REALLY believe in the Ark.

At the end of the day
it matters more (does it not) whether a Buddhist believes in "tolerance"
and
whether a Christian believes in "forgiveness".

You could go and and ask "Is forgiveness healthy just for the person who does the forgiving, or does it also have an effect on the person forgiven?
(like Javert after Jean Valjean "forgives" him, is so overcome he jumps off a bridge lol).

As for "should we only talk trading"
- the plan is for this to be a lighter topic than what the shares are doing.

and in any case "my bets are on" - and I can't change anything over the weekend in any case.
Time enough (even allowing for the footy tonight) to work out whether I'm gonna buy or sell on Monday

Kimosabi · 15 September 2007

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Well after watching these videos, it looks like Noah's Ark was found in 1977.

Looks pretty convincing to me.

Discovery of the real Noah's Ark Part 1

Discovery of the real Noah's Ark Part 2

Now the actually history of the story of Noahs Ark precedes the Bible right back to the Ancient Sumarian's

The Great Flood - Sumerian Version

Now if you want to get into some really trippy stuff, look at some of the other stuff that has been found in Ancient Sumaria, particularily Ancient Sumarian Astronomy.

Ancient Sumerian Astronomy

2020hindsight · 15 September 2007

PS I just get the feeling that the Hindu taxi driver gets his religious strength from "what this bloke represents" rather than questioning whether it "really happened". But Ganesh is central - all prayers start with reference to him ( as I understand it).

Is Noah's Ark like that ? I don't think it is, personally.
Even fairly devout Christians (in my experience) treat the Ark as a humourous (humorous?) joke, but still embrace the rest of the church's teachings.
No one is going to start a Christian prayer off with reference to Noah surely.

Hey I think I prefer where BB is going with this thread lol.

son of baglimit · 15 September 2007

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2020hindsight said:
I often talk to taxi drivers about this stuff lol.

is that the same cabbie i get stock tips from ?

2020hindsight · 15 September 2007

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Kimosabi said:
Well after watching these videos, it looks like Noah's Ark was found in 1977. - Discovery of the real Noah's Ark Part 1

Kimo - wow - plans and all - looks like the Ark was about 100 "rooms" (??)
I was expecting something with more rooms than that - more like the size of the 5000 room "Circus Circus Hotel" in Vegas maybe

son of baglimit said:
is that the same cabbie i get stock tips from ?

lol - as Joe Kennedy once said - "when the bellhops are telling you which shares to buy - it's time to get out of the market"

2020hindsight · 15 September 2007

Bill Cosby
ok you've already heard it 85 times !!
do I look like I could give a rat's - or an elephant's for that matter.

Julia · 15 September 2007

BIG BWACULL said:

Yes, that's a beauty. It did the rounds a year or so ago. I sent a copy to my local Council.

Julia · 15 September 2007

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numbercruncher said:
Pretty easy concept to beleive, big flood came along, self preservation kicked in, was an animal lover, loaded up the cruiser, happy days.

That's pretty funny, Numbercruncher!

2020hindsight · 15 September 2007

Now here's a photo I found on that last youtube ... (Bill Cosby)
interesting - - according to this artist, the ark with the "modern" animals floats, but the ark with the dinasaurs sinks !

so much for that theory that it had something to do with asteroids.

Mofra · 15 September 2007

The stories... Noah & his wife, the animals, Adam and Eve, Cain & Abel & their subsequent familes... what is it about the bible & constant implying of inbreeding?

2020hindsight · 15 September 2007

Mofra said:
The stories... Noah & his wife, the animals, Adam and Eve, Cain & Abel & their subsequent familes... what is it about the bible & constant implying of inbreeding?

lol
as I understand it
Noah and wife past breeding age
2 sons and their wives -
more in bed - hence less inbred

certainly for the other animals though... you're right

2020hindsight · 15 September 2007

Sorry - 3 sons ....
But boy oh boy was he past child bearing age lol! - try 600 years.

7:5 And Noah did according unto all that the LORD commanded him.

7:6 And Noah was six hundred years old when the flood of waters was
upon the earth.
...................

7:12 And the rain was upon the earth forty days and forty nights.

7:13 In the selfsame day entered Noah, and Shem, and Ham, and Japheth,
the sons of Noah, and Noah's wife, and the three wives of his sons
with them, into the ark; 7:14 They, and every beast after his kind,
and all the cattle after their kind, and every creeping thing that
creepeth upon the earth after his kind, and every fowl after his kind,
every bird of every sort.

7:15 And they went in unto Noah into the ark, two and two of all
flesh, wherein is the breath of life.

7:16 And they that went in, went in male and female of all flesh, as
God had commanded him: and the LORD shut him in.

7:17 And the flood was forty days upon the earth; and the waters
increased, and bare up the ark, and it was lift up above the earth.

7:18 And the waters prevailed, and were increased greatly upon the
earth; and the ark went upon the face of the waters.

7:19 And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the
high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered.

7:20 Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains
were covered.

7:21 And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and
of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth
upon the earth, and every man: 7:22 All in whose nostrils was the
breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died.

7:23 And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face
of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the
fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah
only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark.

7:24 And the waters prevailed upon the earth an hundred and fifty
days.

that's 150 days of food bills sheesh = 5 months!
Noah would have needed a bludy big hayshed on deck or somewhere - let's hope he kept it dry!!.
and how about the carnivores?? presumably he took 150 zebras to feed the two lions for 150 days - I mean fresh meat would have been a bit off after 5 months - and , these days at least, lions aren't all that keen on grass.

?? maybe they fed em on the freshest of the carcases floating around

8:13 And it came to pass in the six hundredth and first year, in the
first month, the first day of the month, the waters were dried up from
off the earth: and Noah removed the covering of the ark, and looked,
and, behold, the face of the ground was dry.

8:14 And in the second month, on the seven and twentieth day of the
month, was the earth dried.

8:15 And God spake unto Noah, saying, 8:16 Go forth of the ark, thou,
and thy wife, and thy sons, and thy sons' wives with thee.

8:17 Bring forth with thee every living thing that is with thee, of
all flesh, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of every creeping thing
that creepeth upon the earth; that they may breed abundantly in the
earth, and be fruitful, and multiply upon the earth.

8:18 And Noah went forth, and his sons, and his wife, and his sons'
wives with him: 8:19 Every beast, every creeping thing, and every
fowl, and whatsoever creepeth upon the earth, after their kinds, went
forth out of the ark.

......
then Noah plants a vineyard, gets drunk, falls to sleep naked, there's a mixup about who pulled his bedspread on and who took it off
and you thought Shakespeare could write a good comedy

9:18 And the sons of Noah, that went forth of the ark, were Shem, and
Ham, and Japheth: and Ham is the father of Canaan.

9:19 These are the three sons of Noah: and of them was the whole earth
overspread.

9:20 And Noah began to be an husbandman, and he planted a vineyard:
9:21 And he drank of the wine, and was drunken; and he was uncovered
within his tent.

9:22 And Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father,
and told his two brethren without.

9:23 And Shem and Japheth took a garment, and laid it upon both their
shoulders, and went backward, and covered the nakedness of their
father; and their faces were backward, and they saw not their father's
nakedness.

9:24 And Noah awoke from his wine, and knew what his younger son had
done unto him.

9:25 And he said, Cursed be Canaan; a servant of servants shall he be
unto his brethren.

9:26 And he said, Blessed be the LORD God of Shem; and Canaan shall be
his servant.

9:27 God shall enlarge Japheth, and he shall dwell in the tents of
Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant.

9:28 And Noah lived after the flood three hundred and fifty years.
9:29 And all the days of Noah were nine hundred and fifty years: and
he died.

Smurf1976 · 15 September 2007

Was this prompted by or have anything to do with the film Evan Almighty?

Good film by the way. Nice change from the usual stuff that comes out.

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