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Why not just open a nano fx account = 1c /pip surely you can achieve the same thing and at least its closer to trading than sports betting IMO.
Wow, I have never read a post with so many psychological issues as this one. Nothing personal GB as I think most people reading this have the same issues.
I think your approach is wrong. You can't use gambling to learn the mindset required to trade profitably. The real skill to trading well is developing the right mindset and getting it into our subconscious mind (internalize it). The best book for help in understanding what's in the right mindset is Mark Douglas, "Trading in the Zone". You would be better off studying this than gambling.
Why choose something you know nothing about to gamble on? It gives you an easy excuse. "I lost because I don't know anything about the market". It's a cop out.
Discretionary trading when practiced properly is not gambling. I know that 90% of people who say they are disc. traders are really gambling. No plan, no process, no profits and I have no sympathy for them.
The big psychological issue I see in your post is the inability to fully accept the risk of your trades. The two major risks in every trade is the loss of money and the risk of our analysis being proven wrong. You can minimise the effect of losing money by reducing the your trade size but you can't reduce the risk of being wrong. Not accepting that we can be wrong is my biggest issue and I know many others have this problem as well. If you can't trade properly (without mistakes) when the monetary loss is of no concern then your real problem is this psychological loss.
Find a market that you know well, have a written plan for every step in the process (perfect setup, entry, reducing risk, eliminating risk, protecting profits, final exit, records, review, improve). Do Mark Douglas's exercise (~p180) until you can complete a batch (20T) of trades without any mistakes.
Perfect practice is my suggestion.
Perfect practice is my suggestion.
My only concern is that i would be applying knowledge to the market, and I want to get away from that. I want to base my decision on sentiment alone, because I think that's what the top discretionary traders are doing.
I'm going back to do something I did a few years back which proved very useful in terms of getting the right attitude for discretionary trading.
My only concern is that i would be applying knowledge to the market, and I want to get away from that.
. I want to base my decision on sentiment alone, because I think that's what the top discretionary traders are doing.
IMO you should be applying knowledge to the market and logic as well hence the FX nano idea.
I can assure you that professional disretionary traders regard knowledge of the markets as very important.
So I think the basic premise of learning to accept your losses is valid butI think there is a better way of doing it
more in tune with proper trading.
I don't want to say the guys name but he is a successful futures trader and he told me that the best discretionary traders do better than the best mechanical traders. So I thought I'd investigate.
I would agree, discretionary will kick a systems traders ar$e. But you couldn't be further away from travelling down that path with this little exercise.
I already know what you'd suggest to become a good discretionary trader. You'd say: watch the depth for 5 hours a day for 10 years.
Nonsense!
What can you suggest then?
If you haven't a F'in clue as to whether or not your map leads you to riches or the poor house you spend all your time jumping off on side trips because you are literately lost in the woods.
When you have a system that you are confident in you won't have to second guess yourself or try to change your psychology. You will simply follow it with confidence.
B. You've overcome the terror of being seriously injured in a car accident. Haven't you? You overcame this fear by driving safely and within the rules and repeating this every time you decide to drive. You've driven too much that this fear is hardly recognised. Trading is no different.
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