tech/a
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tech/a said:Ponder-----
Do you take the .32or .5 or .618 levels in a retracement?
My personal view and one through observation and testing is that these areas are no better than a 50/50 proposition re any trade setup and its result,being in the direction you expect it to move.
Bronte said:That should be:
0.382
0.50
0.618034
1.618
2.618
Fibonacci Series
1 1 2 3 5 8 13 21 34 55 89 144 etc
(1.618034 x previous number)
Yes 0.786mit said:Isn't there one between 0.618 and 1?
wayneL said:Weeeeelll, straight off the bat is not quite true, as I've been in the market since '86, so knew all the basics.
But two things happened. I discovered t/a, and I buggered up my back, so couldn't continue with my then business. This happened basically at the same time.
So I thought, right, I just jump in the deep end here. Read a few books, bought metastock, and away I went.
The key was that I already had my psychology, money management etc. sorted through punting, so it was just a matter of picking trends and climbing aboard, set stops, exits, and learning a few new tricks as a I went along.
Snake Pliskin said:Wayne,
Thanks for the info.
I must admit day trading is not for me yet. I'm more comfortable with short term trading, as in days or weeks. If there are opportunities there though I'll take them and close out before the end of the day.
Cheers
Snake
tech/a said:Wayne/Mit.
Your charts look very similar to those of Frankie 's or Deelite at Reefcap.
Are you aware or familiar with Frankiee's work?
Re forward projection type zones,Fib Gann,Trendlines Support and resistance.
My personal view and one through observation and testing is that these areas are no better than a 50/50 proposition re any trade setup and its result,being in the direction you expect it to move.
Now before you all yell BUT BUT proof is in the pudding I/We find the results is way over 50%---consider this.
ANY setup entry or exit will have a mean (That is a standard value between extremes).So often you will have results moving toward either extreme.
A run in your direction even over a year or so doesnt mean that the "mean" will not be visited or the extreme in the other direction,tested.
Technical analysis I think is the ability of the tactician to identify and exploit moves and in particular extreme moves away from the mean of ANY form of analysis,be it predictive or regressive in nature.
To be able to RECOGNISE firstly the mean then the move away and then being able to extract the most from that shift----being the ultimate decider in profit.
As a Systems trader I find that quantity of information in and combination of methodology gives a result which I can then 'Place the odds" more in my favour---in exploiting these extremes.
In your case Wayne when exploiting these extremes in one or a few entities you can and do become familiar with both the mean AND the extremes in them.Experience will and does allow you to exploit those moves which we think we see as amazingly repetitive when in actual fact they are nothing more than a point on a chart expressed mathamatically. Repetition of a mathamatical extreme is simply a swing in the direction of the extreme which will not be perminent---as is the case with extremes in the other direction and the mean itself.---The ability to identify and exploit---being the point here rather than the analysis itself.
As an example Ive always been a Commodore man I bought 4 Fords for the Company and I cant believe how many Fords are on the road.
If I drive my Ford to a Ford dealer then I'll find lots more Fords.
If I see an accumulation of indicators that point to a move away or further away from the "mean" then chances are I'll be able to exploit it.
My way of handling the Efficient Market and Random Market theories!
wayneL said:The indexes are extremely wippy. Now, everybody knows that, and the pit traders invented levels. Why? So they could trade off them. Take last nights chart. It sold off quickly to a level and then rallied all day.
Now, a trend trader would have picked it up and had a nice day, but would still have made less than the guy who bought off the levels...risk/reward.
They might be imaginary lines. But there are in the imagination of a great number of professional chicago futures traders. I'm talking big money here, not the puny 5,10,20 contracts of the private traders like myself.
wayneL said:They might be imaginary lines. But there are in the imagination of a great number of professional chicago futures traders. I'm talking big money here, not the puny 5,10,20 contracts of the private traders like myself.
The above is so true.Hi all
It really does'nt take a great brain or tons of books, software and seminars to daytrade.
It does however, take focus, attention to detail, patience, belief and courage. Your powers of perception are trained by use. So yes you do start to know when a stock is likely to run. The hardest part about daytrading is you need to know and act quickly when you are wrong.
Cheers
Happytrader
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